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8/14/2003
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I can't believe it that there are so many of us out there experiencing the same thing! I really thought it was just me. I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes...just knowing I'm not alone in all this is HUGE! I'm 49, and have had intermittent heart palps for about 8 years. Sometimes they're bad, other times they're just...kind of there. Sometimes I'll even go for a month or more without them. In the early years, I didn't worry about it much. Had discussed it with my physician at that time. He did some basic tests and was rather unconcerned about it, and told me not to worry about it either. The heart palps have worsened as the years have gone on, as I'm closer to menopause, and my stress level has upped about a thousand percent. Consequently, I've been reading about heart palps and how they can be associated with menopause (not just stress)...which is how I found this site.

Here's my story. 4 years ago, the job-related stress started really ramping up. I endured 4 company buyouts in 4 years, rounds of layoffs, management initiative changes, my own HUGE departmental changes (I laid off 12 people in one week, and 6 more several weeks later.) Made the decision to end a long-term relationship during this time, too. All this culminated last November after more rounds of layoffs at my company. I ended up with a really frightening episode of all night panic attacks with really scary heart palpitations. I really thought I was going to die that night, even though there was no pain associated with all of it...just the strangest feelings, and the frightening heart palps, followed by warm flushes that kind of took my breath away. Funny thing...I called the doctor first thing in the morning, and even before I got there, my heart calmed down, I calmed down, and I felt completely normal by the time I got to his office. Even so, we talked about it at length and I wore a monitor for a month. (By the way, my doctor also had NO idea that heart palps are associated with menopause.) Another funny thing, too...could NOT get a reading during the month I wore that monitor! The heart palps were so short and insignificant, I couldn't hit the button fast enough. Anyway, got through the holidays, without too much upset, and the heart palps and anxiety settled back into the manageable range, with some days being worse than others.

Then another bout of panic hit this summer when my company again decided on another round of layoffs. I had to layoff more people in my department, and was (and still am) unsure about my own survival...not to mention the stress surrounding how I'd manage a large house payment by myself if I was laid off. Had another wave of these all day/all night heart palps in July. Even though my doctor explained about PVC, and how the heart palps I'm experiencing won't kill me, they REALLY freaked me out.

Like the rest of you, sometimes I sit up all night wondering if I'm going to die. Lying down on one side sometimes starts them. Actually, typing as I am right now can start them. If I eat too much, or too little, or don't get enough water, or too much exercise...all these things seem to have an effect. To date, I've cut out all caffeine (including what you get in chocolate, tea, soda, aspirin, decongestants...even decaf coffee,) most all alcohol (maybe have a glass of wine 2 nights a week,) most carbs, most sugar. I still have the heart palps...they seem to come in cycles...but they seem to be better when I stick to a fairly solid regimen.

Anyway, I'm sitting here writing as I'm having another bout of heart palps. Not as bad as they can be, but they've been bothering me all day. Went for a nice half hour walk tonite...thought that might help, but tonite it really seemed to fire up another round of them. By writing, it seems to take my mind off them somewhat.

Thanks to everyone who's posted on this site. I can't even begin to tell you how much you've helped. I will take some of the advice here and look into magnesium/calcium. I understand that Hawthorn can also help, too. Any other advice on supplements would help. (My doctor didn't have any good advice in that area.)

Hang in there to all of you. I'm doing the same. I hope for all of us that these weird feelings will eventually go away as hormones settle down after menopause.

I look forward to hearing from you!


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8/17/2003
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Hi, hope you don't mind me writing to you. I have just read your letter abot your palpatations. I'm so worried about mine, it's nice to hear other people are going through the same. I'm 38 years old and 24 weeks pregnant, I have had palpatations for years off and on, but over the last couple of weeks they seem to be pretty bad and today I feel like I am gong to die they seem to be hear all the time, I visited my GP but he seems to think there is nothing to worry about, but of course I do worry.Hope you dont mind me writing to you, its a little easier when other people know what it's like.


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9/07/2003
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I will sometimes get these palps and even though they weren't painful I would just get angry because they are like a nagging mother-in-law. I just can't get them to go away! Ever since my depo-prevera shot I have had only a few mild cases but because I had those bad episodes, I feel like I am on guard. I am sure relaxation is a key here, but it is easier said than done. Does anyone out there have any better success at ridding our bodies of these awful things? Sheryl


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10/09/2003
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I can totally relate to what all of you are talking about. I just turned 49, and finished going through menopause. I have had palpitations starting when I was going through puberty..they started with a couple of flutters just when I was PMS'ing. My mother had the same thing, so she told me just to take a deep breath, which always worked. I bounced through the teen years with the monthly palps, and became pregnant with my son at 23. I had no problem with that pregnancy, but with my daughter, at the age of 25, I had horrible palps during the first tri-mester. My OBGYN told me it was probably hormonal, but if they persisted, I should see a cardiologist. They stopped shortly thereafter, and again, I went through my 20's and early 30's with the same scenarios, and sometimes I noticed that when I was coming down with a cold or flu, I would have them. Then, at about 37, I didn't realize it, but I guess I was entering the premenopausal stage. My PMS was horrible, and the palps were REALLY annoying. I finally went to a cardiologist, and he did a stress test, and EKG...he said everything was normal, and it was probably hormonal. When I was about 46, my period just stopped one month, and I didn't have it again for 6 months. It was like that for 2 years - I only had 4 periods in 2 years time, and besides the weight gain of about 25 pounds, I really didn't have all of the horrible things that I heard about menopause...even the palps stopped (thank God). Now, in the last 3 months, they are back! I have horrible allergies, and so when I went to my GP in July, he said allergies can cause palps due to the body fighting the histimines. Sounded good to me, so I took the Zyrtec as prescribed, but the heart just kept pounding. I just went to the doctor again (I feel like a hypochondriac), and he listened to my heart....he says I have Mitral Prolapse Valve and tomorrow I am getting a holter monitor for 24 hours. I am so upset that these stupid palpitations have returned, and that apparently, this condition is something that I have had all along. It's not supposed to be serious, but can be controlled by simple things such as exercise, vitamin supplements, yoga, diet, lots of water. If that doesn't do the trick, you can go on Beta blockers. I have been so upset at the return of the palps that I don't even want to leave the house sometimes, for fear that I might pass out while driving or in public (highly unlikely they say) but I think the fear and anxiety perpetuates the palpitations. It's easy for people who have never experienced them to tell you to relax - they're not the ones feeling like their hearts are flopping and spinning inside!


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10/22/2003
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Hi guys, there is another site much like this one. You should try and find it. It is with Resonance also. Under heart palpatations.


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11/18/2003
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Hi I just read your email on your heart palpitations.

I'm 27 and started getting palpitations last summer, when I became pregnant with my second baby they seemed to settle, but since I had my baby 5 months ago, there back in full force.

I've been to see my doctor several times and in fact go again next week. She says I am to young to have heart problems, so she doesn't want to run any tests. She prescribed me ativan, which I took for a week and then stopped taking them after looking up the side affects. They didn't stop the palpitions anyways.

I am starting to feel a little depressed, I am often focussed all day on this. My palpitations are there when I wake up and until I go to bed. Any bit of caffeine sets it off. Any bit of stress, though I think my main source of stress is because I worry that I will have a heart attack, and leave my 2 little children behind.

It has just been good to write about this instead of just sitting here worrying about it.


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11/18/2003
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Hi I just read your email on your heart palpitations.

I'm 27 and started getting palpitations last summer, when I became pregnant with my second baby they seemed to settle, but since I had my baby 5 months ago, there back in full force.

I've been to see my doctor several times and in fact go again next week. She says I am to young to have heart problems, so she doesn't want to run any tests. She prescribed me ativan, which I took for a week and then stopped taking them after looking up the side affects. They didn't stop the palpitions anyways.

I am starting to feel a little depressed, I am often focussed all day on this. My palpitations are there when I wake up and until I go to bed. Any bit of caffeine sets it off. Any bit of stress, though I think my main source of stress is because I worry that I will have a heart attack, and leave my 2 little children behind.

It has just been good to write about this instead of just sitting here worrying about it.


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11/18/2003
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Hi I just read your email on your heart palpitations.

I'm 27 and started getting palpitations last summer, when I became pregnant with my second baby they seemed to settle, but since I had my baby 5 months ago, there back in full force.

I've been to see my doctor several times and in fact go again next week. She says I am to young to have heart problems, so she doesn't want to run any tests. She prescribed me ativan, which I took for a week and then stopped taking them after looking up the side affects. They didn't stop the palpitions anyways.

I am starting to feel a little depressed, I am often focussed all day on this. My palpitations are there when I wake up and until I go to bed. Any bit of caffeine sets it off. Any bit of stress, though I think my main source of stress is because I worry that I will have a heart attack, and leave my 2 little children behind.

It has just been good to write about this instead of just sitting here worrying about it.


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11/18/2003
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I am 31 years old. I have experienced heart flutters/palitations since I was about 17 years old. I have been to the ER for it when it first started. They did an EKG and said everything looked good. They said to avoid tobbaco/caffiene & alchohol. They also said stress played a big factor in it. I have continued to have my yearly and when they listen to my heart it seems to be fine. I also suffer from anxiety disorder. I also have experienced PANIC ATTACKS through the years. I think sometimes I will die or something bad is going to happen to me. I always thought I was alone with this. My mom used to make me feel better and know she has passed away. She died about 6 years ago. She had heart problems. So I think that is what is happening to me, even though I have been told different. My father has had a history of PVC's . But putting that all a side my stress level is really high and I am wondering if that is what is triggering it lately. It comes and goes. Anyway thank you for listening.


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11/26/2003
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Hi - I am so glad i found this site! I was just pacing around my apartment after suffering a whopper of a palp - felt like my heart turned inside out, and was followed by a hot flush - 2nd bad one in 2 weeks, the last one was at my tae kwon do class & i had to leave because i thought i was dying - i too have been to the er & the cardiologist, they always say my heart is fine & not to worry about the skipping beats or whatever, but i get so scared even though there are no pains or other symptoms of heart problems. my husband says i am too young for menopause (36) but i think i am experiencing symptoms - ridiculously heavy & erratic periods, weird hot flashes, palpitations during and after my period...wow, it's great to write about it! I guess i should get a physical!


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12/07/2003
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Finally a site where people are experiencing the same thing I have been for years. Looking back I think it was stress that bought the first palp over 5yrs now. One minute I was talking to my husband in the kitchen and the next I was on my hands and knees wondering why I couldn't control my racing heart. Needless to say it stopped and after numerous visits to the doctors and ER Hospitals I was informed my heart was fine. Since that episode I have continued to get palpitations missed beats but do believe in self control. However since the onst of 40yrs my pms has worsened and everymonth at the same time come the palpitations. I'm writing because one of the worst experiences to date was the other morning I woke in a huge hot flush, sweating profusely and palpitations like you would not believe. My first thought was why did it happen when I was sleeping then oh my god I need a phone to ring an ambulance I was alone and scared. I sat on the chair and took deap breaths while cupping my hands over my mouth and nose with the window open to cool myself down. within a few seconds everything calmed down and returned to normal. I honestly believe that this is when I realised a common ground between pms and palps. If there is anyone out there with any self help or similar experiences I would be happy to hear from you.


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12/16/2003
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I have had heart palpatations since I was 37 right after I had my son. They were everything everyone else is complaining of, non stop, horrible, frustrating. I too have been to cardiologists, endocrinologists etc. They find no heart disease. I am now 43, I still get them, in fact I'm going through a stage right now where they are keeping up at night. One thing I have noticed is that they are worse at night and especially after a meal or drinking alcohol. Indigestion seems to set them off. The only time I have had a good break away from them is when I stop eating in the evening. If I don't eat after 3pm I usually don't get them. Also if I dont eat spicy foods. I used to get them due to my periods but I have had a hysterectomy so that is no longer an issue. I also have hashimotos thyroiditis and asthma. Does anyone else have these conditions? Currently I am on B-complex, folic acid, Vit E, C, and calcium/magnesium. Has anyone found any herbs or supplements that really work? Thank you,
Rose


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12/18/2003
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It brought me to tears to read about others that have the same problem as I do. In a sense I'm happier, I feel less alone, in my world, I'm the hypochondriac. I was perfectly normal and never had any problems really in the physical sense and in when I was 25 and had my daughter I started noticing that my stress level was obviosly higher, I wasn't as calm and ablt to handle stress as I had been. When she turned 3 I started having terrible, terrible panick attacks, the regular doctores couldn't have cared less, so I started seeing a kinisiologist, who got me off the prozac and started me on a more herbal formula with out the horrific side effects (like worse panick attacks) Since the day that I started seeing him, I have never had a panick attack, but I still get heart palpitations and I'm starting to notice they are definetly PMS related, although I don't get many other pms symptoms I do know that a day or two before my period I'll get that one whopper heart palpitation that will almost make me pass out. NOW, I also went to see an accupuncturist who stated that I'm eating completely wrong for my blood type (O+) I'm vegan, I should be practically totally carnivore, there may be some validaty to this but I'm not sure, but my cholesterol level is very low about 11 points lower than normal. If anyone can help please email me extremeleft@hotmail.com I would love to chat more about this, I wish to GOD there was a solution. Meanwhile guys, don't let this depress you , I know its easy to get depressed, but we need to live life. My little 23 year old cousin just got hit by a drunk driver and killed and it tought me that life it to short. Even though we may have some problems we need to keep living. Take Care, Peace


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12/23/2003
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Sorry to Hear about your cousin edna. Yes it is true life is very short. I have been through a gamut of the above and maybe more. This site is a blessing I,m not alone, but I am scared.

Happy Holidays all!


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I am 44 I also get them around my period, i sometimes get a deep dual sharp pain on the left side of my heart,had some test done years ago everything was ok, did'nt have pain at that time when i had tests done, dose any body else get pain at times with their palpitations? please respond
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I am 44 I also get them around my period, i sometimes get a deep dual sharp pain on the left side of my heart,had some test done years ago everything was ok, did'nt have pain at that time when i had tests done, dose any body else get pain at times with their palpitations? please respond
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Debbie-I also get palps and rapid beat around that time of the month and yes, I too get pains around my chest area. Sometimes if I put pressure on the spot, the pain eases. I have had a number of tests done and apparently I'm just fine. The pain is sometimes around my collar bone too. The first thing I thought was my arteries are collapsing or something. Sure would be nice to have a doc in the family. Anyway, the pain and palps never last for more than a few days (up to five) and then I await the next month. Now that I have had these for more than a year, the stress level is not as high and I tend to get through them easier. Hang in there. Sheryl


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1/02/2004
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check out site on artificial sweeteners;aspartame especially a cause of palpitations. I'm convinced chocolate also....at least in my case.
Thyroid disease definately...also... I had palpitations when I had Graves disease...(hyperthyroid) right now I'm having palpitations after eating chocolate chip cookies
...convinced it's the chocolate...as I've noticed it before.


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check out site on artificial sweeteners;aspartame especially a cause of palpitations. I'm convinced chocolate also....at least in my case.
Thyroid disease definately...also... I had palpitations when I had Graves disease...(hyperthyroid) right now I'm having palpitations after eating chocolate chip cookies
...convinced it's the chocolate...as I've noticed it before.


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I don't have the slightest idea what's happening to me...
Mine happen ALL THE TIME when I am at complete rest.
Yep. WHen I am really relaxed I feel a fluttery, heart-twisting jolting around of my heart.
It was so bad the other day that I went to the emergency room. Guess what- They say I was prob. having a PANIC ATTACK. Come on....
One other Doc says that it was a spasm of my esophagus. Another doc says some kind of "varient cough symdrome"... What in the world???
I wasn't even coughing....
I have been told that it's all in my head that there is nothing wrong with me.
The first "one" started in a college class in 1989. During these "attacks", I lose my breath and can not get it back for a couple of seconds. My heart almost feels like it "tickles". It jumps around and wiggles (it feels like it anyway).
I am scheduling an appointment in Houston, Texas at a really good cardiologist to see finally what the problem is here...
I got too much to live for- and I know that this feeling is not normal.....


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Hi;
As I have previously posted on this board, I have had the palpitations all of my life starting at puberty, and they usually came at the time of PMS - seems like there is a genuine link to hormones and the palps....mine got worse as I neared menopause, and they stopped completely for a few years, but they came back again after menopause. I am wondering - are any of you "A" type personalities, like I am? Seems like anyone else that I have personally met with these same problems were very hyper people as well. Also, I have noticed that when I am coming down with some kind of infection or illness, they seem to pop up as well. My doctor says that when your body is fighting an infection, your heart speeds up a little and therefore can cause the heart to skip. After having numerous tests on my heart and being assured that there is nothing wrong, I seem to be able to handle the palps much better now and they seem to be less frequent and milder (the fear of dyeing of a heart attack seemed to perpetuate them).. although, I am a chocoholic and I know that when I have too much of it, I am just asking for trouble, but at least I know what the cause is. Also, allergies to foods, pets etc. can also cause this reaction.
Carol


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As I sit here and read all your postings I can clearly see one thing in common, we all are looking for the Answer and try to single out one thing that is causing us this horrifc experience.
I have not had caffiene in any form for many years..scared to, I have spent the most of my life worrying about dying, have been to the emergency room som any times I am ashamed of myself, but the "beat" goes on.
I am 49 years old, I had 30 palps yesterday, yes I kept count in a journal I bought just for this purpose, I once kept a diary for over a year I found all most of my episodes happened shortly my period as well, now I am in menopause actually through it, and still pestered and tormented, it has controled my life made me a prisoner of my own body and mind.
I have not gone anyplace by myself for so long, and would rather not even leave my house at all.
My first experience was with a racing beat, really fast and really hard that lasted for just a few minutes, but since that I have had many and learned how to take a deep cleansing breath and holding it untill my heart converts back to a normal rythym which is quickly, but it has to be a very deep breath, a couple of times it did not work and ended up at the ER with my blood pressure botomed out and not being able to realx enough to get that deep breath, and learned from a nurse there that has the same thing that a deep hard cough works for her, so I did both coughed and held and it converted, I used to strain really hard as if pushing a baby out and that worked but I liked the result of holding my breath most. I wonder if there is anything in our backgrounds that we have in common that could explain why this is happening. like alcohol use drugs lifestyles anything???
I do believe as I can tell y ou do too that there is an answer and a cure, I went through the thinking food, too much, too little, sleep, exercise not exercising all of it.
I wish we could find a DR that r eally wanted to find out the answer and would do some kind of research if only via the internet to connect the dots .
I wish the best to all of you and I fully understand what you are going through,
Anyway to describe the feeling I have now most of all is a hard thump, or a catch inside my chest around the heart area, I have alot of heart burn, I have had my gall bladder out, and I have some problems with acid reflux, I really am more leaning to the abdomen for the answer to these bothersome feelings, I feel like it has more to do with the digestive system than the heart maybe the esophagus it could be described as a valve of some sort flopping shut or opening in there, it is a hard sensation to really describe, I have had the feeling of a quivering of my heart that I have seen described here so I know that is a different feeling altogether, well, feel free to email me, marybaker55@joplin.com
Mary


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1/04/2004
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I have written in here before, I'm 27 and have had heart palpitations for the last 2 years on and off. I first got them about a year after my son was born and then again shortly after my daugheter was born this past summer.

I was definately stressed when it all started happening, my sister and I had our babies a week apart from eachother this summer. She wound up with severe postpartum and spent the following 2 months in the hospital, I took her oldest child for the summer, my baby was 10 days old. We had our niece for 2 months here, and then travelled at the end of that time to where she is from and I stayed there for another month to help my sister make the transition home. It was then that I started feeling ill. Starting with a severe migraine and pulseing in my stomach. It felt like I had a baby kicking. Within a couple of weeks it turned into palptitions, which at times I would have all day. I suffered daily from those
until the beginning of december, then they abruptly stopped. I was feeling fine until last week when I woke up in the night with a racing heart. It was at 140 beats per minute, it is normally 60 beats per minute. It was very scary it lasted for about an hour. And it happened again a couple of nights ago, lasting for about the same amount of time. I had had a little alchohol both nights and don't know if that set it off. I find it hard to go to sleep at night
afraid that I will wake up again with that. I would rather have the palpitations. Does anyone else get the racing heart apart from the palpitations? I'm sure that for the most part it is some sort of mild panic disorder, but I always worry just what if there really is something wrong?
Let me know if anyone else gets the racing heart
thanx Shawna


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Hi everyone. I am 26 years old and have been suffering from heart palps. for about 7 years now. I am 28 weeks pregnant and they have gotten worse. They control everything I do. I just had one bad one which made me get on this site. I cry all the time after I get one. It is so upseting. I don't even want to leave the house. Please if anyone wants to talk to me about this email me. It would be so nice to talk to someone who knows what I am going through. Does anyone notice that they get them when you are hungry or maybe when your blood sugar starts dropping. I notice them like that sometimes. Can anyone feel your pulse all through your body. I have such a hard heartbeat. Its like you can feel it down to your toes. Please email me....Bratt2377@aol.com


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Hi Everyone.
I have recieved several emails from some of you and want to thank you for your input and discussing our symptoms and feelings.
I know how hard it is for all of us. I feel so bad for each and every one of you!
I think I have every symptom described here as mine has gone on for 20 years and have felt so many diffent things it is hard to cover here.
I want to thank you all for writting, and encourage anyone that wants to correspond to feel free to email me.
Your letters help me and I hope that mine help you.
I cant stress the fact that you are not going to die enough!
It is a "feeling" it is not pain, although when we are in a full episode of arryhtmia there is some discomfort sometimes a pressure in the chest, but it is not unbearable it is uncomfortable.
Try to concentrate on the one one thought that you are safe, you are not dying!! Relax make that happen, tell yourself over and over this will pass.
Maybe some nice Dr will come across this site and realize that we need help!!
Good luck All (marybaker55@joplin.com)
Mary




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I ran across this site while searching for answers to my problem. I had to write in. I thought I was the only one that had a problem that was being ignored!! I am so glad I am not. My symptoms have been progressive. It started when I was about 23 yrs old. I had some heart flutters that my doctor dismissed as back flow of blood and a sign of a healthy woman. hmmm. It then progressed into a series of heart flutters, followed by what felt like my heart stopping for a second and then a deep,really hard thump! It is now a daily occurance all day long for the most part. The palpitations started about 10 years ago. I am now 35. They were far and few between until about two years ago. They don't seem to be triggered by anything inparticular although occasionally if I drink a beer or something but can't prove that since it doesn't happen EVERYtime I have a beer. They happen in the morning, evening, night...no matter the time. I did notice that they seem to happen the night before my period starts.

I too had worn the heart monitor and my heart was acting up quite a bit when I wore it. But, the results the doctor gave me indicated that it was nothing more than an extra heartbeat. Ok! Whatever! I then went to a cardiologist and he was not concerned and had no information to offer me. I was told like everyone else that if I tense my muscles it would correct it. Well that doesn't help much.

I can feel the tension in my chest not a pain, just a feeling like I have to cough to clear some sort of congestion or like my heart "needs" to flutter to clear the feeling. Occasionally a tight feeling. I feel healthy, blood tests come back good, but constantly feeling your heartbeat is very annoying and the symptoms are scary. You would think that as many people that we have writing into this site that have sought help, they would take notice and try to research this. I tried to research the internet, but none of the symptoms coincide with heart disease.

My sister has Mitral Valve Prolapse, but it is not the same. The doctor told me my problem was not Mitral...what do you believe though? I did have panick attacks as a child, but no longer have them...I do feel anxious at times with my symptoms. I did take diet supplements at one time, but that was after the flutters, etc. started.

Thank you for listening and I am now going to be active in participating in this message board. I am just glad I am not alone.


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I have had palps or PVCs since i was 11 also other stuff thrown in had all the tests Normal! currently experiencing PVC thumps every 3 beats or more with periods of every beat for about 30/40 beats and have been for 10 days does anyone else have them going on this long i am very fed up with it i am 40 and about to have a EP study & ablation for other arrythmias but apparently PVCs wont go away am beginning to wonder if i have Mitral Valve Prolapse anyone else have them going on all day every day with no let up.


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It's not in our minds or whatever. It's more than likely hormonally related.

Read John Lee, MD's book called "What Your Doctor Did Not Tell You About Premenopause". Palps is just one sign of estrogen dominance. That's where the body isn't producing enough (if any) progesterone to balance out the effects of estrogen. Your estrogen can be rather low, but if there's no progesterone it will still run amok in your body and give you all kinds of nasty symptoms. Try using natural progesterone cream during the month to balance out the estrogens. I'm not talking about progestins which is what the doctors prescribe. They are not the same thing. The cream is all natural and safe to use.

Magnesium in drinkable form works great.

http://www.vitaminsthatwork.com/most-recommended.shtml




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I check this sight every week or so and when I heard women saying that we should look into different types of supplements I thought they were just grasping at straws. I have had bad 'monthly' palps for over a year now. And they would come as regular as my cycle. Then I saw an ad for Coral Calcium and decided, what the heck. I never have taken any vitamins except when I was pg and even detest taking aspirin. But I have to tell you, since taking this (with extra dosages of magnesium) I haven't had any bad experiences with palps since the end of October. I started taking the pills the first week of November. Maybe it is a coincidence, but it couldn't hurt to try. I suggest for all of you out there that are scared and lost like I was, just try some supplement with magnesium. Let us know the results. We only have each other! Sheryl


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AMANDA
YES I HAVE HAD THEM FOR SEVERAL DAYS STRAIGHT, AND THEY WONT GO AWAY. I HAD ABOUT A MONTH OF THAT AND STARTETD EATING A BANANA A DAY AND WHETHER THAT IS WHAT HELPED OR NOT I DONT KNOW ALSO HAVE BEGAN MAKING MY HEART RATE GET UP BY EXERCISE, WHICH SEEMS TO SET IT INTO A RHYTHYM.
AND BEWARE OF THESE VITAMIN THERAPIES, I TRIED THOSE TOO, AND ONCE YOU HEAR FROM ONE VITAMIN PUSHER YOU WILL HEAR FROM MANY. I DID THE MAGNESIUM, I DID THE CALCIUM, YOU WILL FIND THESE ADVERTISERS ON EVERY ARRYTHMIA SITE OUT THERE,


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Mary (and everyone else),

You are right about advertisers sneaking into sites. I also post on a pregnancy loss support group and every now and then someone sends an ad to me from that. I think that's pretty "nervey" to do that. Especially on a site dedicated to loss.

While I do a few supplements (just to be healthy and they do help some), I find I can get plenty of magnesium, potassium and calcium from yogurt, OJ, bananas, pumpkin seeds and milk. I try to be sure to eat a balanced diet and that helps a lot. And I watch my salt intake. If I retain too much fluid, I get skippy (just like when I was pregnant the second time).

Again, you are right about exercise helping too (at least for me). It works out the adrenalin and stress that builds up and irritates my heart.

I still get skips that go on for a while but they go away quicker and don't seem to bother me as much as they used to. I guess I've gotten use to them and I don't stress over them as much.


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Sheesh!!! I was only trying to help and yet everyone is ready to label me a troll for posting that link. I guess it's like I've heard before that sometimes when you extend your hand to help, you can get bitten.


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I am 16 and i didnt know if it was wierd that i was experiencing this at such a young age but i read some of your stories and i feel better knowing that some of u felt them at about 11 or so, thanks.



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i noticed sisnce I started taking magnesium that mine are not as bad anymore so I know that must help a little bit. again let me know if anyone wants to talk. i love being able to relate to others that are going through the same thing. i will say a prayer for everyone.
Bratt2377@aol.com


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Arcadia,

Sorry if you misunderstood my response. It was NOT directed at you or anyone in particular. I was just reminded of something that has happened to me on another site.

I too think supplements can help. I just use food more often than the supplements.

Again, sorry about that. It was not intentional.


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I am a 34 year old female. I first started having PVC's a year and a halif ago. I also developed really bad allergies to mold and grass at the same time. I had started a new job so was under a fair amount of stress too.
I went to doc and has EKG, holter moniter test, and ultrasound on heart. PVC's was the result. Lasted about a week at the worst thean didn't have much at all for over a year. Now they have come back really bad for 3-4 days so far. My period is due in about 10 days and I have all the symptoms of PMS too. I believe that makes it worse or triggers them. Last night I couldn't even fall aslpeep cause they were so bad. I am trying the calcium supps to see if that helps.


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I am sorry if you took me wrong, I really am, I just get really frustrated at the way people get into us and try to sell us stuff, whether it be herbs, or vitamins or whatever, I only posted just to warn everyone about that sort of thing.
Yesterday I had a great day, I was in a positive state of mind. got plenty of rest, always eat right and no palps, then evening and we went out to dinner at our fav buffet, and after wards we head off to the mall or someplace where we can walk around alot after a good hearty meal, I have a bit of irritable bowel syndrome, and of course had to find a restroom quickly, then the palps started... all through our walk and until I got back home and into bed where I could lie down and relax, they stopped.! I will tell you they were quite hard ones too, I didnt let it deter me or slow me down this time nor did I let it scare me WAHOO! I feel almost victorious about that.

Again about the vitamins sups etc...Just hate to see sellers prey on us by trying to sell us supplements we are all searching for answers, and hopefully by hearing others problems and stories of thier own experiences it will help us pin point the cause, it is obvious that DRs are not all that concerned for us, and are not taking us seriously so looks like all we have is each other. I will stick to my warnings about people coming in here with testimonies of success and then offering to sell us the exact dosage we need for 49.95 a month.....!
Mary



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I have a bit of Irritable Bowel Syndrome also...anyone else on this site have stomach problems in addition to your palps?


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Mary, and everyone,

I didn't have a problem with what you said. I was just concerned that my response to your post had hurt Arcadia's feelings. It wasn't my intent.

When you mentioned sales people sneaking into sites it reminded me of people selling stuff on our pregnancy loss site. It's bad enough when they bother those of us with chronic problems, but to go after people grieving is just low.

Congratulations on not being bothered by your skips. That was a huge step for me. Not getting anxious stopped the adrenalin and kept them from getting worse. It really feels great when the fear has been taken away.

Today, I've been having constant skips (pac's) for about 3hrs now. A few months ago I would have been antsy and pacing the floor. Now, I just do what I normally do. Clean up, grocery shopping, read to my son, etc... Eventually, poof! they are gone. Plus, Aunt Flo is due in about 3 days. That could be part of my trouble today.

This bit is for Stacy too, I also have IBS. It's fairly mild and seems to be laying low right now. I also have GURD so my heartburn doesn't help either. I saw on an IBS website that there is a theory that, yes once again, tension/stress/anxiety can cause it to get worse. I know for myself, stress can be a factor but I'm starting to get frustrated being told that everything that happens to me is stress and anxiety related. Maybe it is, but it does get old.

Hope everyone has a skip/palp free weekend.


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My husband has been having this problem for about six years now , we have been to Dr. after Dr. , the Er and everything were really getting frustrated with not getting any answer , they say everything is fine !!! What should we do ??? Last night was the worst he's had in a while, and of course we went to the ER , and it quits when we get there , so he feels like a hyprocondriac (spelled wrong) Does anyone else have this problem ??


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There's something to the calcium magnesium supplements...haven't had any heart palps since I started taking it every night...about 2 weeks ago. (Also ordered the natural progesteron cream.... let's see what that does for me. Calcium also helps me sleep better at nite...definitely!!!!!) Nam Myoho Renge kyo!!!!


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There's something to the calcium magnesium supplements...haven't had any heart palps since I started taking it every night...about 2 weeks ago. (Also ordered the natural progesteron cream.... let's see what that does for me. Calcium also helps me sleep better at nite...definitely!!!!!) Nam Myoho Renge kyo!!!!


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There's something to the calcium magnesium supplements...haven't had any heart palps since I started taking it every night...about 2 weeks ago. (Also ordered the natural progesteron cream.... let's see what that does for me. Calcium also helps me sleep better at nite...definitely!!!!!) Nam Myoho Renge kyo!!!!


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Lily - I was wondering how old you are....if you're past menopause, as some of us are, I am wondering if the progesterone cream will do anything. As I had mentioned in previous posts, my palps got worse as I neared menopause, but ceased for a few years after menopause. They are back now, so I am puzzled - I always linked it to the hormones, but now it must be something else.
Carol


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I am 44 years old and have had heart palps on and off for over ten years now. They stop for weeks or months at a time and then come back with a vengance. I have been checked out by a cardiologist and at ER and am told that I have PVC's. They are the most horrid things.

I do have IBS and stomach problems and they ( the PVC's) seem to occur much more frequently after I eat. If I don't eat, I don't really seem to get them very much. This, of course , isn't the solution.

I have had a hysterectomy and am on estrogen cream.

Please, I would love to hear from others about possible respite from these awful things. They can control my life!

I live in England.

Thanks, and I hope to hear from you.





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Maureen, I also get them when I eat, my heart rate seems to go up also. I have low blood sugar so if I eat to many carbs I get them more then too, hormones seem to be a big factor to, I've had heart palps for about twenty five years now!!! they still make me nervous


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Hi, I'm not sure you are all talking about what happens to me (feels like my heart is skipping a beat every so often, like a thump in my chest). I decided to try something simple: drinking lots of water and guess what? It has helped immensely! So, it's an easy thing to try. Hope it helps some of y'all!


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I am so glad that I found this site. I just got released from the hospital after two days of palpitations. I am 36, don't have any children but have had a lot of female problems. I started experiencing the palpitations about a week ago and it is the scariest thing I have ever been through. I've had three major surgeries and have high blood pressure but never anything as taxing as this. They did every test that you could think of and they saw the palpitations on the ekg and the 24 hour monitor but told me that it was "benign" and that it won't harm me. The most frustrating thing is that I don't know when it's going to come on. Sometimes it feels like a hot flash then the palp or just the palp accompanied by terrible gas. I was told that it could be from anxiety or a panic attack. I never thought that this could happen to me. That feeling of overwhelming doom or dying is something I do not want to go through everyday. I am trying to deal with the problem without medication. The doctors would like me to continue to go through more tests but I figure that they would have found it by now. Does anyone use any techniques to settle the feeling down? The palps can last all day or all night sporadically! It's really affecting my life. I'm sorry that I'm rambling but I am in tears because of this. Thanks for listening.


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This is a great site. It is reassuring to read that so many people have similar symptoms. I have had PVCs on and off for ~7 years. Did the holter test, tread mill, echo, and EKG....just PVCs. After a pretty severe bout in 97 they happened only on occasion. I currently have GERD/reflux symptoms and the PVCs are back. They are worse after I eat. I have eliminated coffee, chocolate, spicy foods, etc. In addition,I eliminated my morning orange juice smoothie that always has a banana in it. I drank it for the first time today and so far....no PVCs. I have read that magnesium and potassium help regulate the heart. Maybe simply eating a banana a day helps. I have also read that red wine and cod liver oil affect magnesium absorbtion. For me, regular exercise seems to help as well. So at least today, no "thumps" or "roll-over" type feelings and the anxiety that goes with them.


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I have been suffering from pvc's/palpitations since the birth of my daughter 3 yrs. ago. The pvc's (premature ventricular contractions) feel like "skipped" beats, with a pause in the heartbeat, followed by a hard thump (felt in my throat). I sometimes have several in a row for 10-20 mins and they do create alot of anxiety! I also have palpitations with a hard, fast beat (like with exercise, expect at rest) They last all day long sometimes. They are so hard that I have a difficult time sleeping on my left side at night because it feels as though my heart is just below the skin and it drives me crazy! I have had these almost every night (and day) for 3 yrs. I went to a cardiologist last yr. and had an ekg, echocardiogram, holter monitor, event monitor, MUGA scan, and stress test. After ALL of that, I was told that I had PVC's, PAC's and mild tricuspid valve regurgitation. Blood tests were fine, with mildly low potassium levels. Nothing to worry about, but I was anyway. Sometimes, when my heart would race, I would almost black out and think that I was dying. Maybe a panic attack caused by my reaction to the tachycardia and PVC's. Oh, I also have been diagnosed with IBS. I'm 31 yrs. old and otherwise healthy.
ANYWAY, I started researching the possible causes of these arrythmias (which they are, even though harmless)and found that low magnesium levels could be a possible cause. There have been many studies done to substantiate this. I started taking a 250 mg. supplement a week ago and my palpitations are completely GONE. Everyone, PLEASE read about magnesium and the studies that have been done (at reliable gov. and edu. sites) online. It has completely changed my life. No more constant awareness of my hearbeat--I really can't feel my heartbeat anymore and periodically check my pulse to make sure that it still is beating! I even made a pot of coffee tonight, had 3-4 cups and NO palpitations! A bottle of magnesium from Wal-Mart costs about $2-3, it is non-toxic in large doses, it's an essential mineral that our body needs for over 300 biochemical reations and 85-90% of the population doesn't get enough of it. Also GREAT for lowering blood pressure, migraines, PMS, osteoporosis and many, many other problems. Sorry for writing this book-- just want to help everyone. I take a regular multi-vitamin with extra B vitamins and the magnesium supplement. Please try it and let me know your experiences while taking it, too. In the meantime, do some online reseach about the benefits of this mineral and see for yourself what the studies have shown. Good luck, everyone!


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Hi, Reading all your posts brings back a lot of sad memories. I had palpitations pretty bad for a lot of years along with a lot of other problems like panic attacks and irritable bowel syndrome. I no longer have any of these "problems" and I wrote a book about my experience that's available at my site www.readingyourbody.com. Although I'd like to sell a couple of books, I'd be glad to exchange information about what worked for me by email with anyone interested. Richard


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please let me know some of the things that worked for you. i feel like i can't go on anymore with these things. please email me bratt2377@aol.com


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Hi Richard,
Thanks for sharing your information with us. It seems as though most of us have had the same symptoms, so I would be interested to know what you have learned. I've been taking the magnesium supp. for a week and I haven't had any palpitations since, but I would like to learn all that I can about the possible causes of these symptoms. With solid information and good support, maybe we will be able to help each other so that we can all begin leading peaceful lives again. If you wouldn't mind, please email me at boling3@omuonline.net. Thanks so much!


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There was a post above about palps only happening to women, well i'm 19 and have been having palps since i was 16.
They happen when my immune system is low, or when i havnt eaten, and then when i do eat!
I also get them if im tired, after a late night, or due to an extensive period of no exercise.
I hope they dont carry on till im in my 40's.....i dont hink i could deal wih that.
Are there any other guys of my age range out there with this problem??
Has anyone found that doing more exercise prevents them???

please post!

-Tim.



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I am 54, very healthy, and have been experiencing heart palpitations very regularly for the last week. I went to the emergency room a week ago and everything checked out alright: EKG, chest Xrays, blood work. What is strange about mine are that they mostly seem to happen when I swallow, when I am eating or drinking. Then, it makes me cough. Anyone with a similar experience?


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Hi Gail,

I did some research on the possible correlation between swallowing and palpitations and this was the only information that I could find (from medhelp.org) that was directly related to your specific problem. It is in a Q & A format between a patient & a Dr. on the site. I hope this helps some. :)
Also, you might want to research the vagus nerve/palpitation connection. My palpitations are gone since I've started taking a magnesium supplement. I believe this is probably due to the fact that magnesium relaxes blood vessels, nerves and muscles (incl. the heart)---among other things.
Anyway, here is the information from medhelp.org:

What possible connection can there be with swallowing and an atrial
arrhythmia? I have had about a 5 year on again, off again history with
atrial arrhythmias. No apparent reason exists to account for them. They
seem to last for about 3-4 months then leave for awhile. Last year I had
zero arrhythmia occurrences and was able to run 1700 km, including a
marathon. I do not generally get any arrhythmias unless I swallow. It
actually makes eating difficult at times because the rhythum gets so lost.
The correlation with swallowing is 100%. Even if I run or exercise nothing
happens unless I swallow. My heart rate monitor shows a pulse rate of
140 bpm and immediately after I swallow it jumps to 230 for a short period of
time. If I press on my carotid artery before and during a swallow the
chances of the arrhythmia are less. Any ideas? I recently had an EP study
done which confirmed no apparent cause. When the study was done the
arrhythmia had gone dormant and I couldn't cause one to save my life. Is it
possible that the study could come up negative if something like WPW were
the cause of all this? Sorry for all the questions but a doctor suggested
it could be Lown-Ganong-Levine Syndrome. What is that? Thankyou for any
help.
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Dear Mr. Burton,

I’m not familiar with a swallowing-facilitated atrial arrhythmia. It is possible, however, that the swallowing causes an alteration in the delicate balance that the nervous system provides to the rhythm of the heart. Possibly, the act of swallowing causes some mechanical disturbance to the atrial tissue, due to the movement of the esophagus against the left atrium. Thus, it wouldn’t be unheard of to experience this problem in the context of swallowing.

If the heart rates you report are accurate, then it would be worthwhile to seek a second opinion from an electrophysiologist for this problem. It is possible that a correctable cause exists, but that it has not been detected. Regarding the Lown-Ganong-Levine syndrome… this is characterized by certain electrocardiographic features (short PR interval, normal QRS complex) in the setting if paroxysmal supraventricular tachycardia, or PSVT. This can also be corrected by EP testing and radiofrequency ablation, if it is present in your case.

If you’d like, call the Cleveland Clinic at 1 800 CCF-CARE, and ask to make an appointment with an electrophysiologist at desk F15. Information provided in the Heart Forum is for general medical purposes only. Specific recommendations can only be provided by your physician.

Good luck, Gail.



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I'm also one of the rare men who have this problem.

It's amazing reading these posts, they describe the problem perfectly. Basically our condition has terrible symptoms - but thank God is not that harmful. It's just something you have to put up with when the attacks happen.

As far as advice - definitely avoid needless stress, don't excercize too much, maintain good blood sugar by eating healthy meals spread out through the day, stay hydrated and use support systems like this one.

Good luck to all.


Tony
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Well thank goodness.
I started having heart palpitations yesterday...started getting more frequent...sat watching the telly and thought I would check my pulse and surprised to find I missed a pulse during palpitation....down to casualty...xrays,blood checks,ecg etc. told to go home, it's ok, come back if it get's worse.
I have still got them...mainly when I am relaxed or in bed.
Why do doctors seem to have no idea how worrying this is...I have never come across it ...only by a concerned search on the web and seeing this site can I get any comfort.
Thanx all....going out to buy some banana'a and magnesium!!! :-)


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Thanks to all. It's really reassuring to know that I'm not alone out there with this problem. I'm male, 28, active, good blood preasure, good cholessterol, however still worry way to much about my palpitations. I've been having palpitation on and off for about five years. They seem to be getting worse as the years go on. I've been checked twice by a cardiologist who conducted a running test, 48 hour holter monitor, and ultrasound all of which came back indicating that my palps were benign. Of course the doc told me not to worry but still, I live in worry about this. Sometimes I think if I'm going to drop dead, I'd like to just get it over with. Don't get me wrong...I love life I just hate living in fear of something that's not suppose to be dangerous.


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HI everyone, Thanks for all your honest thoughts on your experiences. I am 40 years old, and have had heart palpitations since I was about 28. At first it was very scarry, and like most of you I had the Drs reassure me that it was nothing to worry about. I too have had all the tests and was told I had a benign arthmyia. It is interesting to know that most Drs donot seem to understand this. I starting getting them around my period, then they would come whenever, no ryhme or reason. Now I was recently told that I have a fibroid cyst, my periods are longer, I am on iron, I take vitaimins, I am not overwieght and I excercise. I do know that when I consistentnly get aerobic exercise they seem to be more stabilized. I also know for me prayer has been key to getting me through also. I was surprised to hear men also experience this. I will be praying for all of you. When you know whos Hansds you are in, it is comforting.


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I ran across this site while looking for more information on PVC's because I've been having them 24/7 for 2 days now. I'm 44 and I've had them on and off for 10 years and always for days at a time. I can't sleep on my side when I have them either. I have also had every test there is - twice because I just have a hard time accepting that something so terrible could not be life threatening. Most of the time I just try to ignore them and sometimes it is impossible. I'm sorry we have it, but is so reassuring to read other experiences with this and know that I am not alone. I don't know anyone personally who experiences these PVC's. It is hard for my family to understand because they don't feel what it is like. We seem to have a lot of the same feelings about this "condition". I wish you all the best!


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HI Sandy,
Thanks for sharing. Yes it is so nice to know others understand! I was wondering if you or anyone else experience, tension in the neck shoulder or upper back when you are having palpitations. I notice I get these symptons also as well as a feeling of up tightness. I feel total not myself, when this happens. I did notice today when I had some episodes, that rubbing my sinuses( as strange as that sounds) actually brought me relief. I am going to look in to this.
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Hey everyone! Reading your stories makes me feel so much better, and a lot less scared and alone. It is sooo hard trying to get others to understand how annoying the palpitations are if they, themselves, have never felt them before. I am 23 years old and am beginning my second month with consistent heart palpitations. They just came on one random day and have not left! I don't understand how something like this could just come on out of nowhere? My doctor attributes it to stress, even though I tell her I don't feel stressed! I find that they come on about 30 minutes after eating, but she did not think that this was a viable connection. She put me on Xanax and my palps stopped for about 1.5 weeks! (Thank god!) But now they are back full force. It feels like my heart stops beating for a moment and then thumps back into its regaular rhythm again. I also sometimes feel like I need to take a breath when it happens. EKG and blood tests came back normal, but still, all my doctor offered me was to go to counseling for stress management, but I really don't think this is what I need. Sometimes my palpitations only happen a few times a day, and sometimes they happen like every other minute! It makes it very difficult for me to concentrate on my work and it is very scary especially when they can be so frequent! Any tips on managing these things would sure be helpful!


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http://www.vh.org/adult/patient/internalmedicine/faq/heartpalpitations.html
I found this site to be interesting. HI Heidi, welcome to this site I am new here also, I have left a few postings if you'd like to read my history. I am experiencing right now staying off caffeine and taking magnesium and calcium.
I know it is scary but please keep in mind, that most times there is nothing to worry about, we are all just trying to find out why they happen at all, today alone I probably had 25 palps, they come and go for me wiht no ryhme or reason.
I also beleive consistent exercise is very helpful. I havent exercised the last few days and they have been worse.
I hope this helps a bit.
Please remember, something good can come out of this. I totally understand what you are going through.
PS I don't drink alcohol at all or take any prescriptions.
Blessings
Nancy


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I have posted on these boards a few times before, so I won't go into all of my history, but I am 49 and have had palps since puberty.....I, like so many others have had all of the tests done and my heart is perfectly normal. Since tests have proven that my heart is fine, it has lessened the stress that I am not going to have some kind of heart attack, therefore, the palps have let up.

A couple of weeks ago, I was sick with bronchitis and coughing to death in bed, when I felt a pinch in my abdomen. I just thought I strained myself, but when I went to the bathroom, I noticed that I had some staining, which startled me because I am post-menopausal over 2 years. I immediately called my gyno to schedule an appointment. I am faithful in seeing him every 6 months because I have a history of mild dysplasia showing up on the pap smears, so I wasn't too concerned. When I saw my gyno, he told me that he needed an ultrasound to measure the lining of the uterus, and he also did another pap while I was there. I got my ultrasound done a few days later, and still wasn't too concerned.

Well, my gyno called me back last week at 8AM....when I answered the phone and he said "your tests came back and I need to do a D&C because the lining is much too thick" (could be uterine cancer, could be something else), my legs became like jelly, and, of course, my heart started palpitating wildly. After I hung up and was still reeling from that news, he calls back about 10 minutes later to tell me that my pap came back, and the dysplasia was now showing elevated levels of precancerous cells - so now I need a colposcopy and leep cone procedure.

I have been having problems functioning over the last week - palpitations all over the place. I know mine were brought on by the stress! I went to my gyno yesterday for the colposcopy, and he cleared up some of my fears. I feel much better now, but will continue to be stressed until after the D&C - I'm a big baby when it comes to needles, IV's and being knocked out. I have discussed the palps with my gyno, and he has been suffering with them for many years as well. He went through all of the tests, like most of us, and nothing was found either. He says that his were so annoying, that he decided to go on beta blockers several years ago. In discussing my palps with him and my other GP, they both were implying that some people are just wired a little different and are sensitive to things -- hormonal changes, certain foods, allergies, stress, infection - can all cause the heart to "skip".

I know in my particular case, hormones, caffeine, when I'm coming down with something, stress, lack of sleep, - these all contribute to my palps. I have noticed in the last several years, that if I have the ability to just lay down and catch a short nap, often when I wake up, I feel better. I agree with the previous posters about exercise as well -it does seem to help. I am an "A" type person, so I am constantly hyper as well. I also believe that the palps seem to get worse the more you dwell on them.

My only advise to all of you out there is too try to relax - believe me, I know - and try to ignore them. If they become unbearable after trying relaxation, exercise and avoiding stimulants, then it may be time to consider taking medications and be done with it. I hope my post will help to put some of your fears aside.
Take care,
Carol


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I am a male 73 years old and i had open heart surgery 5 months ago. Had four bypasses and I have avery irregular heartbeat. My heart skips all the time. It will beat 3 times and skips and sometimes it will skip every two times. LAST MONTH MY PULSE GOT DOWN INTO THE THIRTIES AND WAS GOING UP TO TWO SECONDS BETWEEN BEATS. i HAD A PACEMAKER PUT IN AND IT KEEPS MY PULSE INTO THE 70S BUT MY HEART STILL SKIPS LIKE IT DID BEFORE.I get very dizzy and feel like I am going to pass out at times. I went back to the doctor that put in the pacemaker and told him about my dizzyness and about to pass out and he said that there was nothing wrong with me and that I needed to see a phsiciacrist. It gets very discouraginmg when a doctor tells you that. He will not even listen to me. I hate to say it but I wish all those doctors would have the same problems and then they would know what we are going through.


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To everyone that has taken the time to tell their story...I thank you so very much....I am 43 and have had them(pvc's)since I was 14..I do take inderal a (beta-blocker)and now lots of xanax...I'm so desperate to make them stop I will do anything...they are worse than ever...sometimes all day...I'm about ready to give up....I also have panic disorder which dosn't make it any better...I would appreciate any advice......again thank you all for sharing...I'll pray for everyone of you to get some relief.

Robyn


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2/08/2004
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I agree with you Wayne. I think the doctors don't know how to deal with everything. Just like us I guess. Everyday I wake up, some days I feel bad, some days I feel good. It's never been different. Hang in there.


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I'm been experiencing heart palpitation off and on for a few months now. I'm not happy that the rest of you have the same problem, but it is comforting to know I'm not alone. Like you, I've felt very frightened, and I'm searching for the cause and the cure. However, until then, here's something that's helped me relax when I'm in the middle of the palpitations. I start thinking about how much I appreciate my heart. I think about all the wonderful love it allows me to give and receive. I think about the amazing intuitive insights it give me. I think about the incredible highs I've felt when I've felt almost unbearable tenderness, awe and compassion. All of this comes about because of my heart, and I am grateful to it. Thinking along these lines helps me relax, breath easier, and continue with my daily activities.


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Has anyone looked into pressure points for relief? I have recently gotten complete relief from palpitaions pressing with my thumb for a few seconds on certain areas, that I was drawm instictively to for relief.



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2/11/2004
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I am sitting here crying as I read all of the
stories on this site. I am 30 and since I was 17
I have been diagnosed a hypochondriac. I have
been to several dr.'s and cardio's and every time
I have been told to live with it. I have PVC's.
Well last week they came back terribly. 5-10 sec.
apart, all day long, all night, I am so tired. I
have a 3 years old daughter and I just am so
worried that I won't be around to share her life.
I went to the dr. yesterday and she put me on
Zebeta (beta blocker) to help. As of yet 2 days,
its hasn't done much to stop the PVC's, maybe just
decrease the strength of them. I walked 3 miles a
day until this started. Needless to say I am
scared to now. I find it hard to focus at work,
all I feel is the akward beat of my heart. I
truely believe that if you don't have them, you
will never understand them. Dr.'s in particular.
I have said for years a week before my monthly I
have them and that is it. Now I can't get rid of
them. Thanks for letting my cry and vent.

I hope we all find answers.

Feel free to email me


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I am crying as I sit here and read all of your
stories I have been considered a hypochondriac
since I was 17, I am now 30. It took Dr.'s years
to diagnose my PVC's, then they said "learn to
live with them". Hmmmm, obviously they don't have
the. typically my PVC's occur before my monthly.
However last wednesday they hit with a vengance.
5-10 sec. apart. My heart rate was varying and
sometimes the PVC's were bigeminal. Yesterday
(monday) I went to the Dr. and got put on a beta
blocker. So far it hasn't worked much. I am look
at my 3 year old daughter, praying that I will be
around to share her life with her. I am so
scared, I am tired, I am unfocused, and I am
lonely.

I pray everyone finds answers here.

email me at U4iachic@aol.com

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Michelle,
I can hear your heart. You will be fine though, it is annoying but everything I have read and talked with Drs about, this is not life threatening. I have found a pressure point under my left breast, that eliminates the palpitations, while I am having them, it feels like a nerve, press gently with your thumb and see if that helps. You are in my prayers.


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All your messages sound like my life. I have been having pvc's for as long as I can remember. I am now 48. Sometimes I get them for 2-3 days all day and night. One to two minutes apart. It can make you crazy. I used to (since I was 12, or 13) get extremely hard and fast palpatations, 150-190 bpm. This used to send me to the emergency room sometimes the episode would end by the time I got there. I had Dr.s tell me that it was stress...it was nerves, calm down go to a movie....it is hormones. Well...these attacks were getting closer together, and faster and they would not stop on their own. I went to St. Francis Heart Hospital in Nw York and I found out that I had something called W.P.W. (Wolf Parkinson Whilte syndrome). Since it was getting worse and potentially life threatening in my case an ablation was recommended, I had it and have hade no tachychardia (rapid beats...over 220 by the time I had it fixed). It is funny though that I had countless ekg,s and not one GP saw it on the test?? If your beats are extremely hard and over 150 bpm, I would have a cardiologist check this out.
Now to the 2nd part of my story and why I am looking at the boards tonight. I am still having pvc's occasionally (not related to the wpw, and told by the cardio not to worry about them) But now I am getting palps....just the normal variety 100-110 bpm, and a little harded than a regular beat. I know it isnt the wpw, as it feels nothing like that, but with my history I am a little panicky. I was told that it is most likely perimenopause, and that this can cause palps. I was looking for somone who experienced this during menopause. If anyone needs any info on WPW please feel free to e-mail me , cwisme@aol.com


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Thanks for the replies. I go to the Cardiologist
on Tuesday. The beta blocker is working a little
better, but palps are still there. I used to walk
3 miles a day, but now I am afraid to exercise.
My GP told me to start walking again. It has been
3 weeks since I have had a good walk. She was
really perplexed today when I told her on the
phone that the palps are exaccerbated by eating.
That blew her mind. Not much comfort. I did
decide to try magnesium. I started yesterday. I
will let you all know if it works. I appreciate
the posts.


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I had very recently posted a response to share with all those suffering with heart palpatations to provide education about the condition. With regard to that communication, I want to also provide you with some general information about the following:

With regard to herbal remedies, vitamins, supplements, snake oil, magic beads, copper bracelets, magnetic helmets, masks and rattles, etc. . .. . .

You should take care in consuming any herbal remedies for which you do not specifically know the exact chemistry and mechanisms of action upon the body and its physiology. That goes as well for any contraptions, devices or jewelry with underscored claims of miracle health benefits.

Many herbal products contain stimulants that can exacerbate your problems with palpatations, anxiety, etc. Claims made by the manufacturer do not represent consumer education. Make certain you know what you are putting in your body and do not take someone's word for claims that it rids the body of toxins, heavy metals, blah, blah, blah.

The body has very effective systems that have developed throughout evolution and do a very good job of removing harmful byproducts from the system. In cases where congenital or acquired disease impairs those functions, it is always wise to seek the advice and recommendations of a licenced medical doctor.

With regard to vitamins and minerals, the body does an outstanding job of absorbing all the minerals and vitamins you need through a healthy balanced diet. In fact, the body more readily absorbs these vitamins and minerals from natural rather than manufactured sources. If you feel you need a supplement, it will certainly do no real harm to take vitamins and minerals in very limited quantity due to the fact that vitamins can as easily be toxic to the system as beneficial depending upon the quantity consumed.

Many of you mentioned magnesium and this mineral indeed plays a role in cardiovascular regulation along with a host of other factors, but the amount required is very small and is easily found in many natural foods.

The message here is don't allow your fears about heart palpatations or any other condition to lead you down the path of spending untold amounts of money trying to extinguish symptoms, nor allow anyone to pander remedies to you for which you don't have proven data regarding their chemical makeup, action upon the body and its functions, or documented research to support their use for your specific problem or concern.

Your body is a very complex and well-ordered marvel of biochemistry and has the astounding ability to operate efficiently and effectively given proper nutrition, exercise and emotional well-being. Even in cases where one or many of these requisites are attenuated, the body adjusts very well and performs more than adequately. Feeling the need to tinker with your physiology out of frustration and lack of answers can be a double-edged sword that can either mask a real problem or excaerbate mere non-pathologic symptoms.

Also remember that the powerful inducement associated with cause-and-effect scenarios has caused many a person to take up practices and beliefs that are not necessarily accurate. By example relevant to this issue, if you take a teaspoon of sugar-water and experience what appears to be relief from palpatations, it does not mean that the syrup had an effect upon the palpatation issue. The relative coincidence of timing can play upon out belief system and it doesn't take much when we're lost for answers to grab onto the nearest available prospect. Improperly pairing actions and outcomes can mislead you down a long and oftentimes expensive path in search of the truth.

The best policy is to keep it simple. Do not overload yourself with potions, herbs or excessive vitiamins & minerals with the hope of discovering the magic bullet, nor strap on metal bracelets and pins. Your body with thank you for it. Strive to first educate yourself thoroughly about your condition with as much research as you can locate before settling upon a remedy, particularly one that requires an investment.

While it is true that traditional medicine is not a perfect science, neither are humans themselves. Experimentation can be costly, so don't risk your well-being on a hunch. And there are bad physicians and bad medicines to be sure. The key is not to lose faith in medicine as a science, but rather exercise your options regarding physician care and take an active role in the medicines being prescribed to you. You don't have to be a doctor to make wise decisions about choosing the best medical care.

Finally, support groups are outstanding and have the one component that you cannot find in a pill and it's the awareness that you're not alone in your difficulties. Knowing that you stand among countless others with the same encounters makes us breath a little easier that it has some degree of common occurrence. The fact that these conditions and others are common is all the more reason for you to be both optimistic about the outcome and wary of those who might try and capitalize financially upon your lack of information and direction concerning a remedy.

Best regards and good health!


THIS COMMUNICATION REPRESENTS AN OPINION BASED UPON MEDICAL FACTS AND IS NOT INTENDED TO REPLACE, SUSPEND OR OTHERWISE SUPPLANT ADVICE FROM YOUR PERSONAL LICENSED MEDICAL DOCTOR.



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For those of us who really do not want to take drugs to treat our condition this information is worth considering. I have included only the pertinent excerpts, if you want to read the entire article the website address is at the end of this message.
HEART OF THE MATTER.(cardiologist Seth Baum on therapies for prevention and treatment of heart diseases)(Interview)
Saturday Evening Post, March, 2001, by Patrick Perry
Combining the best from conventional and complementary therapies, a cardiologist presents an innovative strategy to prevent and reverse heart disease.
In his busy clinical practice, triple board-certified cardiologist Seth Baum has snaked his way through the arteries of thousands of patients in an effort to prevent or minimize heart attacks. But over time, the young physician became increasingly concerned and frustrated over the temporary nature of bypass, angioplasty, and other invasive techniques, witnessing an alarming number of patients return for repeat procedures. While the therapies proved lifesaving in a cardiac crisis, they did little to address the underlying cause of heart disease.
Turning his attention to the field of complementary medicine, Dr. Baum discovered a wealth of literature and research studies demonstrating the power of supplements, dietary modifications, and stress-reduction techniques for slowing, and possibly reversing, the progression of heart disease
Q: One particular supplement stands out in your writing, and this is a quote: "Of all the minerals employed in the treatment of cardiovascular disease, magnesium is far and away my favorite."
A: No question about it. One of the things that kept coming up in the literature was that based upon numerous studies, about 75 percent of Americans are deficient in magnesium. Their intake of magnesium was below what the RDA recommends. We can miss that on lab tests because we test serum levels of magnesium, and it is actually intracellular levels of magnesium that are much more important.
I think magnesium is "king" for the treatment of benign rhythm disorders, which includes paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, meaning that it comes and goes. Paroxysmal atrial fibrillation is not necessarily so benign, by the way, because you can have a stroke from atrial fibrillation. But PACs (premature atrial contractions)extra beats from the upper chamber of the heart--or PVCs (premature ventricular contractions)--extra beats from the lower chambers of the heart--can be very bothersome palpitations for patients. I put many patients who have these benign rhythm disturbances on magnesium, and their symptoms totally disappear. One patient came to me about two years ago complaining of repeated episodes of atrial fibrillation. He did not want to take pharmaceuticals, so I put him on a very high dose of magnesium. He has had one recurrence in two years and is amazed. In a number of patients with paroxysmal atrial fibrillation, magnesium supplementation significantly cut down the frequency or duration of episodes.
Q: For people who as yet do not have heart disease, do you recommend a certain dosage of magnesium? Would an over-the-counter multivitamin provide enough magnesium?
A: Unfortunately, the typical multivitamin doesn't have enough magnesium in it. I recommend between 300 and 500 mg a day of the chelated form for people with normal renal function. They can handle that dosage fine. Magnesium is also effective for migraine headaches at higher doses. The woman who typed the manuscript for the book had migraine headaches, and she did well with magnesium.
Q: You also wrote: "Magnesium is the body's natural calcium channel blocker. It not only dilates blood vessels but also helps our hearts function more efficiently." You talked about this effect not only in relation to heart disease but congestive heart failure and other vascular diseases. Therefore, does magnesium have a broad application?
A: Yes. The quickest and most satisfying response is with arrhythmia. But I do think that magnesium is very important to heart muscle function in the setting of an acute infarct. As a vasodilator, it can help fight heart failure. That is one of the mainstays of therapy--vasodilators. And if you accept the fact that most of us are deficient in magnesium, why not supplement?
My patient began that program and took a variety of supplements--balanced high-dose antioxidant supplementation with vitamin C, E, lipoic acid, coenzyme [Q.sub.10], and L-carnitine. He took some herbs as well, including hawthorn berry and ginkgo, along with fiber and fish oil supplements. He was the first person that I was using this approach with, so I wasn't 100 percent certain of the outcome.
When he came back to the office, he was so devoted to making the program work and avoiding a bypass that he really listened to everything that I said. His systolic blood pressure was in the 110-119 range. He was as astonished as I was. Although he had only lost a couple of pounds, it was as if he lost 50 pounds to help explain the dramatic lowering of his blood pressure. He gradually got back into exercise, playing tennis five or six days a week. His cholesterol dropped to about 108, so I pulled away the statin medication. He ultimately lost about ten pounds and repeated the stress test, which normalized. That has been several years ago, and he is doing great. This is not something that I am doing; this is something that he is doing with my help. That is the critical point. The patient has to be completely committed
Dr. Baum’s Recommended Supplements:
Arrhythmias Magnesium (300-600 rog)
Potassium (99 mg) and potassium-rich foods
L-taurine (3 grams)
EPA/DHA (3,000 mg)
Coenzyme [Q.sub.10] (100-200 mg)
Hawthorn extract (approximately 400 rog)

Palpitations Magnesium (300-600 mg)
Omega-3 fatty acids (2,000-3,000 mg)
Coenzyme [Q.sub.10] (100 mg)

Here is the address if you want to read the entire article:
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1189/2_273/70741023/print.jhtml




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okaaaaay. This effort is placed on your support group website courtesy of my spouse, who is seated next to me with threats of bodily harm if I do not take time from my schedule to provide a professional response and take appropriate interest and concern. To this extent, I summarily aplogize that my occupational schedule generally prohibits the latitude necessary to search out your groups and assist with providing information where it might be sought or needed.

Under the circumstances and to avoid physical reprisal by my well-intended wife, I hereby consent to the necessary time expenditure without further delay. And with particular reply to the young lady who so keenly observed that no men visit or participate in your support network, allow me to make a footprint in the sand and be the first to join you.

Well ladies, down to business. Firstly, let's see if we can collect your concerns and provide a general and hopefully beneficial response. We need to start with a little and very brief general anatomy course, so let's take our seats.

I want to start by talking about a very special part of the human anatomy that does not seem to appear in the collective messages I've reviewed; The VAGUS nerve. The vagus nerve, also referred to as the 10th cranial nerve, is appropriately termed a "mixed" nerve. It provides a sort of two-way communication of nerve impulses back and forth between the brain and the pharnyx,larynx, esophagus, stomach and associated abdominal viscera(basically, your throat, windpipe, your tummy and guts), the heart, lungs and several more complex but irrelevant body organs or functions. The vagus nerve is the longest and most complex of the cranial nerves in the body.

The key point here is to make note that this nerve involves the "heart," the "lungs" and basically the whole digestive system of your tummy and intestines. Now let's pair that with some real specific and limited physiology about the heart and its rhythm.

We also need to bring clarity to some of the medical jargon being taked about by many of you in your messages. The term PVC, or Premature Ventricular Contraction, is just one of many arrythmias and not necessarily isolated to what many term as "palpatations." When we speak of palpatations, what we really mean is the presence of "ectopic" beats(hearbeats where there should not normally be)and the precise induction of these beats is felt by us as dancing of our heart or a flutter sensation in our chest, the prominence or intensity of which is determined by the precise moment of the extra beats in proximity to the most recent beat and the upcoming beat or contraction of the heart ventricles or atria. Think of it in relation to your memory of your worst date, where the guy you're with has no rhythm whatsoever but wants to impress you with all the right moves and clumsily tries to introduce his own dance-step into your otherwise smoothly flowing and natural pace with the music. Depending upon his rather untimely entry, he can cause awkwardness that either simply causes you to quickly pause and regain your rhythm or literally trip you repeatedly until you're forced to leave the dancefloor. Well, the same holds true for the heart in our example. The extra beat, or palpatation might come at a point that's subtle, or it might be at a point where the heart stumbles repeatedly until normal sinus rhythm is regained. Now let's get to "why" palpatations occur.

The heart has a natural pacemaker called the sinoatrial node among several less distinct and similar pacers, which is stimulated by guess which nerve? You guessed it; The VAGUS nerve.

The vagus nerve helps regulate the heart in comparison to other functions taking place with other areas and is doing its job right now in each and every one of us. In fact, the variability of your heart rate during inspiration and expiration of your lungs is an effect of the vagus nerve. We've all noticed that when we take a breath in, our heart tends to beat just a little faster and when we breath out, a little slower. It's an entirely normal bodily function and is connected to the need by the body's system to respond to the environment.

Now that we kind of have a little medical background under our belts, let's take one of the complaints by many of you regarding the proximity or timely appearance of palpatations and indigestion. Remember that we said the vagus nerve is linked to both the tummy, the throat and the heart. Let's assume that we've eaten meal and it's caused us to experience some gastrointestinal discomfort, or in other words, gas. The irregular presence and activity by your tummy and intestines stimulates, more appropriately irritates, the vagus nerve which sends a rather inappropriate signal back along the pathway to guess where? That's right! The heart. Move to the head of the class. The heart is busy pacing away regularly and is relatively unconcerned with all the food you poured into your tummy, when all of a sudden in comes a signal from the vagus nerve because it has been inappropriately stimulated and tells the heart to beat. Well, just like our bad date example, the signal to beat is rather untimely and awkward but the heart has to accept it and respond. The result is extra beats that make the heart feel like it is stumbling. The degree to which it stumbles oftentimes depends upon the extent to which the vagus nerve is irritated and the relative state of indigestion present as the causitive agent.

There is most often no pain assoicated with this occurrence because it is not the result of a lack of blood or oxygen that creates the palpatation, but rather just a simple additional electrical impulse or series of impulses. Pericardial pain, or pain adjacent to the heart, can sometimes accompany palpatations or exist exclusive of any arrythmia, but is not necessarily considered pathologic or harmful to us. Remember that we're dealing with inappropriate electrical impulses and muscle tissue other than the heart that is partially innervated by the vagus nerve and can respond inappropriately, causing a jabbing or shooting pain than many describe as a "catch" in their chest. We'll talk more about chest pain in a bit.

Let's discuss the sensation that some of you described as a warm flushing sensation of your face and perhaps other body areas that accompanies the palpatations. Recall our anatomy lesson. The vagus nerve stimulates many areas of the body in response to our environment or internal conditions caused by the outside environment, ie. a meal that produces indigestion. The vagus nerve provides all of us with a stable process called vagal tone. This tone or stability keeps us in a state of balance so to speak with our environment. In response to environmental cues or situations, that tone or stabiity changes to prepare for what may be required. You've probably all seen a guy that makes your heart "skip a beat." Ever wonder why that phrase ever came about? Think for a moment. If you've ever been emotionally overcome, your heart races or feels like it pounds in your chest, we begin sweating, our blood pressure rises, we feel nervous and at some point our face is overcome by a warm flushing sensation that we attribute to nervousness or embarassment. Well, guess what nerve plays a very big role in that entire process? Right Again!!! The VAGUS nerve.

The above scenario would be a case of increased vagal tone. Well, if there's an increase, there's likely to be a case of decreased vagal tone as well. Indeed there is. decreased vagal tone can make us weak, nauseated, tremble, and even faint. It happens in cases of being excessively startled or frightened. Other conditions, such as diabetes can cause decreased vagal tone, but for our purposes we'll stick to conditions that by what I've read from all of you are non-disease provoking conditions, with the exception of one individual with Mitral Valve Prolapse but we'll touch on that in a bit.

Anyway, the point is that our body doesn't always accurately recognize proper environmental cues and the vagus nerve doesn't always know when and how to act. In other words, it misbehaves once in a while as a result of inappropriate stimuation. All sorts of things make the vagus nerve act out, including stress, anxiety, depression, illness and even ideopathic causes(origin or cause is unknown). In fact, there is work going on right now using electrical vagus nerve stimulation to treat depression, anxiety and even seizures.

And here's a little extra for those who cough when experiencing a palpatation. Recall your anatomy lesson again. Remember we said the vagus nerve stimulate the pharnyx, larynx, bronchi and esophagus. Well, what do you know. Those are exactly the processes involved in the cough reflex. So when the vagus nerve inappropriately stimulates the heart and causes a palpitation it also stimulates in some cases the cough reflex. How about that!

So we begin to see that the cause for palpatations and the palpatation itself is not a life-threatening occurence at all. It concerns us for several reasons. First, it has to do with our heart and hey, that's the thing that keeps us alive basically. Big concern! Secondly, we've been bombarded by all the medical revelations and awareness about heart disease. But a case for heart disease does not make for every condition the heart demonstrates, especially palpatations. If you've ever had a cramp in your hand from typing too much, it probably never gave you pause to think you might not make it, so to speak. You reason in your mind that the cramp is caused by repetition fatigue and you need to take a break, massage your hand and rest momentarily. Well, palpatations can be considered sort of a cramp and nothing more. Under stress and other factors we talked about, the vagus nerve gets irritated or fatigued and acts out. Just because the heart is affected, doesn't mean that you've got heart disease or vascular problems that are looming. They're annoying, worrisome and even frightening, but knowing where they come from and why will help go a long way in knowing that they are non-injurous and if we respond appropriately, will subside and we can go about our lives with far less worry.

Let's touch on anxiety for a moment. Anxiety, and depression too, can definitely cause a state of dysfunction in many areas of our body. Many patients who have these disorders are exhausted from constantly presenting themselves to the medical community with real and valid symptoms of pain, fatigue, bowel problems, vision problems, tinnitus or ringing in the ears, difficulty swallowing, excessive saliva, dry mouth, sore or sensitive tongue, and many many more troublesome circumstances only to have repeated tests all return normal. How can that possibly be?!! It's there, we feel it, we experience it, we hate it. Why doesn't the test confirm that it's there? How frustrating is that????

Well, here's some news that should make you feel a bit less frustrated and even comfort you. Most all tests are based upon the algorithmic, or sequential processing, of certain symptoms and signs that are all conclusive of various disease and illness. When someone with anxiety, depression or other condition that has somatic features(felt physically)undergoes these tests, the components that underlie the actual diseases which have similar symptoms simply does not add up and no presence of the actual disease is evident. So it's a case of false identity, sort of like having a biopsy of a mole that turns out to be benign. Looks like cancer, but is not cancer. Well, that same thing can happen to us with regard to all sorts of disorders and diseases. They look similar in presenation, but one reveals true disease and the other a nonpathologic condition or illness. So the next time your doctor tells you he can't find anything wrong, be glad for that much at least. Many people get far worse news!

So with regard to depression and anxiety, these conditions impart disturbance upon body functions. I suppose you're already guessing that the vagus nerve is not exempt from those circumstances and you're exactly right. So when you have an episode of anxiety, rest easy when you have a palpatation or two, or three or even four. The vagus nerve is irritated and needs a break or to reset. No problem whatsoever and you needn't worry any longer that a palpatation is sure indication of worse things to come. Nothing else happens. Just an extra heartbeat or two where there should not normally be. What a relief!!!!!

And the caveat I promised to the one individual with Mitral Valve Prolapse, your heart condition, while not necessarily life-threatening at all, does predispose you to panic disorder which I'm sure you are probably already aware.

Okay, so now we know what these palpatations are and what causes them. What the heck do we do about 'em? Well, there are several techniques that can help. Firstly, let me say that if a run of palpatations makes you feel faint or weak, don't panic and try to make it somewhere less embarassing. Be safe and think smart. Squat to your knees or sit down until the feeling subsides. No sense in cracking open your skull by trying to make a mad dash for privacy. Anyone can feel faint and people in your company will always rally to your aid more often than not. So relax. The conditions will quickly pass and you'll be back to yourself in a jiffy.

Secondly, if you sense indigestion and gas, discomfort and bloating when the palpatations are present, try merely changing positions which often causes the distention to realign from its offending position proximal to the vagus nerve.

If you're pregnant, well indigestion or gestation. It doesn't matter. What's important to realize is that both conditions represent a temporary rearrangement and limited space downstairs. That means proximity or closeness to the nerve receptors of the VAGUS nerve and you're going to get palpations when conditions are right.

As for the palpatations themselves, taking slow, deep breaths repeatedly will typically cause the palpatations to cease. Recall your anatomy lesson. The vagus nerve stimulates the lungs as well as the heart, so this purposeful stimulating of intention-breathing will often interrupt the irritation signal.

If you're experiencing tachycardia(racing heart), then if a fountain or bathroom is nearby, apply cold water from your hands to your face and while holding your hands against your face, press gently, repeat GENTLY, on your eyes. This will invoke what is termed the "dive reflex" and will cause your heart rate to decrease in most cases. Regardless, tachycardia, like palpitations is not harmful in of itself, just a bit unnerving.

The key in all cases is to do your best to remain calm and rational. Know from our little lesson what it actually taking place and that you'll be fine.

Finally, we'll save a lot of space here by simply stating that with regard to any of the conditions either described or that you're experiencing, do not substitute a support group for responsible notification of your symptoms to your personal primary care doctor. We live in an age where medicine is oftentimes scoffed at by many who fail to realize the benefits they expect. Yes, it's true that medicine is not a perfect science, but neither are human beings. It is difficult at best to create perfection from inperfection. But even so, we all must give recognition that many thousands of people are being cured of certain cancers that just a decade ago would have meant their demise. Simple penicillin saves hundreds of thousands in third world countries that would otherwise perish from infection.

So don't become discouraged that medicine doesn't find something wrong with you. Feel blessed that they don't have less encouraging news for you. I exist in an occupational environment where disease and illness is very concentrated. It is of great joy and optimism that I can walk from conditions such as those to the sanctuary of my private life and know that I'll return tomorrow.

You too, all of you, need to be thankful that your condition is benign and that you have the power of influence over its effects.

So kick up your heel, give a shout, grab the keys and your husband's credit cards with the highest limit and PREPARE TO SHOP! Those pesky palpatations are but a mere nusiance and you have the rest of your life to live, so get busy and do the voodoo that you do best!

best regards and good health. Feel free to write if you care to and I'll do my best to answer, but no promises.

and this is for all the attorneys circling overhead who strive for a willing plaintiff, or even an unwilling one.

THIS COMMUNICATION REPRESENTS OPINION BASED UPON MEDICAL FACTS AND IS IN NO WAY INTENDED TO REPLACE OR SUPPLANT THE NEED FOR PERSONS TO DIRECT THEIR MEDICAL NEEDS AND INQUIRY TO THEIR PERSONAL FAMILY DOCTOR REGARDING THEIR HEALTH.

sorry, have to add that.


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Thank you!!Rsssell Thank You!! To your wife also!!!!
I have been blessed to read your explanations. Prior to reading your message, I was having some unexpalined palps, but I have had them since I was 28, and I am now 40, so I have learned to live with them through prayer. I donot have the association with eating, but mine like many women began around my cycle, now they are just whenever, I am normally a very calm easy going person, but when they come on me, I feel very uneasy, and short with those in my life. I was just reading about the sympathetic nervous system,(autonomic nervous system) and I was wondering if the Vagus Nerve is related to that.
You have been very encouraging and I am thankful for your sense of humor as I know many will also.
Blessings...


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Man I hope you all were as happy with Russell and Mrs Russell as I was!
For those of us that have the rapid heart beat, and as I have said I have had very RAPID heart rates which for the most part I have learned to convert myself, I dont know why that once in a blue moon I have to go to the Er and get converted but it happens.
I sure appreciate you all
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Hi Nancy!

It's Heidi again! Thanks for your email by the way. To help answer your question: I actually know quite a bit about the autonomic nervous system as I am currently a graduate student working on my Master's Degree in Physical Therapy...so I've gone through countless anatomy/physiology and neurology courses.

The autonomic nervous system is responsible for such things as increasing your heart rate, how hard your heart beats, dilation or constriction of your blood vessels throughout the body, GI motility, etc.

The autonomic system is divided into two components: the sympathetics (aka "fight or flight" system) which regulates anything that would prepare you to either fight or run. So: increases heart rate, sends more oxygen to your muscles, etc. The second part is the parasympathetics: (aks the "resting and digesting" part) responsible for GI motility, digestion, decreasing heart rate, relaxation, etc.

So where does the Vagus nerve fit into this picture? The Vagus nerve is termed by many as the "Queen of the Parasympathetics". So when it fires, it is predominantly going to keep the sympathetics (those trying to make your heart beat harder and faster) in check. When it fires it will act to slow it down. What I don't know much about however, is what Russell was describing as a "misfiring" basically...so I unfortunately can't tie the two together for you.

I went to the doctor again this past week and I am now taking 10mg of Paxil per day...it is supposed to take 2-3 weeks to reach its full effects, and already my palpitations are diminished in intensity and I was even able to take and exam yesterday without having any palpitations at all! GO ME!!!!

Anyway, my doctor thinks that mine are related to stress/anxiety and believes that my sympathetic system (fight or flight) is overacting. The sympathetics release substances like epinephrine and norepinephrine (basically adrenaline) which she thinks is what is causing part of my problem. They go in and disrupt my rhythm and that is where I feel the "pause", since the heart has had more time to fill with more blood during this time...more blood than it normally has to pump out...that is why I am feeling the "thump" on the first beat after the pause before I go back into normal sinus rhythm.

Hope this helps!!!
I keep you all in my thoughts!!

Sincerely,
Heidi



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I've had pvcs off and on for about 20 years, with mild mitral valve prolapse, any my experience is just as others have described. I had panic attacks and agoraphobia when they first started, until I did a kind of death acceptance. Right not, I'm sitting up with a spell of every third beat or so skipping.
I value PVCs now as kind of a buzzy alarm system that makes me pay attention when I'm doing something wrong.
What works: remembering to breathe deeply throughout the day, plenty of water, exercise.
What aggravates them: even low level anxiety, too much or too little sleep, fatty foods, sugar, too much exercise.
What used to work for me: I credited Ultimate Antioxidant Plus supplement by Nature's Life with keeping PVCs to a minimum for several years, though they don't seem to work as well lately.

There is an exercise that I do sitting down that takes about three minutes and suppresses the PVCs for from 30 minutes to several hours. I learned this at a Donna Eden workshop. (I believe she has a website). It basically involves sort of marching your feet while sitting, and twisting your whole upper body, including turning your head, to the side opposite of the raised knee, and striking the raised knee with the opposite elbow, or as close as you can get. Alternate 12 straight marches (1 march=left AND right) with 12 twisting marches, repeat 3 or 4 times. Don't know why this works.




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Someone said a while back that they have never noticed any men on this board.....wel here is one now...:)

eveything you guys have described, from the feeling of them to the doctor's analysis', is me....i am going through the EXACT same thing...so i don't know how "female hormonal" it could be as i've been a male all my life...;)

It is strange that it does seem to be a mostly female problem...?

Just had to drop aline and let you know there are guys who go through this stuff too.


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Heidi-My husband has had a bad back since I've known him (over 20 years) and he swears that the back runs everything. Could I have put out my back and affected my Vagus nerve? These palps have actually stopped coming since I started taking vitamins, calcium, magnesium, etc. I am not a pill popper, but enough was enough. Anyway, I told him he was nuts. Your back can't mess with your heartbeat. Let me know your thoughts please. Every so often when I eat late at night or work overtime I start to think they are coming back. I do that deep breathing and take a break and they have been going away. After 1 1/2 years of this, it's hard to believe it may be over. I pray that I am right. Sheryl


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What a relief to find others with the same problem. I am 58 years old and have just been diagnosed with PVC's. I just started having symptoms a month ago. I guess I could say I've had very mild symptoms throughout my life, but not bad enough that I would even take notice of.
I would like to say all this has been very helpful, but there is one sympton I have that I have not seen anyone else mention. I am totally unable to sleep on my left side. When I try, I experience extreme shortness of breath and pressure in my chest. Then when I switch sides my heart just keeps pounding, very hard but slowly. Needless to say, I have not been sleeping very well.
My dad died from a heart attack when he was 55 years old and my sister had a heart attack at the age of 47, so heart disease is definitely a risk factor in my family. I went through the typical tests, the 24 hour heart monitor, echocardiogram and stress test. I was told everything was normal except for the PVC's, but not to worry, they are not pathological. I do still worry about the symptoms, how can I not?
I did find the message from Russell very helpful however, and want to thank his wife for making him post it.


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I'm 18 years old. I just started having heart palpitations. It probably doesn't help that i smoke either. I had to go to the emergence room last week because i had an attack of some sort I thought i was dying. Sometimes my heart starts beating so fast at night it wakes me up... When i'm in school sitting in class Sometimes i get so paranoid about it i have to keep chacking my pulse on my arm I'm so scared i'm going to die!


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Hi Nicole. Your problem is very likely the due to a condition known as panic disorder. Although it has a component of anxiety, the hallmark characteristic is that patients experience something called a "threshold" or panic attack that appears as a rapid escalation of symptoms.

Patients state that they feel as though they can't breathe or get enough air, their heart races and skips, they begin sweating and feel flushed, feel as though they are going to faint, eperience nausea, weakness, lightheadedness, helplessness and many more symptoms. In general there is an overriding thought that something very bad is happening to them physically and that they may suddenly die or collapse.

Panic disorder can be acute(temporary) or it can be chronic(lasting many months or even years). While there are several causes, for most patients it is the result of stress. Please refer to my earlier email messages above regarding anxiety, palpitations and stress.

The important thing for you to realize is that the symptoms your body is producing, while frightening to be sure, are not the same as those of impending and serious disease but rather the inappropriate activation of a natural defense system by the body that includes the "fight or flight" response. When a threat of imminent harm or death is real, then our body act appropriately in this way to prepare to defend itself or flee to safety and many of the body's systems are on very high alert status, with chemicals and nerve impulses racing in preparation. But in cases where the system goes into action in the absence of any real threat, then the person fails to understand what is happening to them.

Your racing heart during sleep and suddenly awakening is the result of something called "night terrors" and it is essentially equated with having a panic attack in your sleep.

What I want you to know first and foremost is that your heart will beat just fine and there's no need to constantly check it and here's why. In most all cases of real heart disease and imminent heart dysfunction, patients experience symptoms that simply do not allow for them to check their pulse wondering if a problem is occurring.

And paranoia is a very good way to describe what is happening to you Nicole. The presence of panic disorder often makes the patient consumed by fear from an unknown origin or source. This often builds or wells up in them and actually precipitates a threshold event or panic attack such as the one you describe.

It's important to try and work on discovery of what is causing you so much stress, ie school, family, etc. and unfold the mystery. I say that because most all patients with panic disorder have an underlying issue or issues related to something that they feel is very wrong in some sense. In other words, they feel compelled by this issue and somewhat controlled or under its influence, unable to prevent or alter it. This may start out as simply frustration or anger but left unresolved and purposely avoided, the patient unintentionally begins building a mental giant out of the matter without realizing it. So the anxiety comes from the inability to make the proper association with the original problem and subsequent manner in which the person has elected to deal with it or not deal with it. Let me give you some examples of what I am speaking about here.

For example, I've oftentimes witnessed young patients in their very early teens who mistake the normal process of sexual identity progression for homosexuality. They develop intense anxiety and subsequently panic symptoms because they misunderstand feelings they are experiencing about the same sex at a young age. This normal evolution does not actually mean that they may be "gay" but in their mind they are unable to avoid it and much worse, accept it as a normal process. Panic sets in as they are unable to deal with the feelings in an appropriate way and certainly avoid talking about it among their peers. This is more common with boys than girls because it runs head-on into their strive to be socially masculine. Now I certainly don't provide this example to suggest that you have such a problem, but merely to show you how feelings that start out as something merely discomforting can escalate over time to panic disorder.

Another example, relevant here, is performance anxiety that tantamounts to panic. Feelings of inadequacy, fragile self-esteem and diminished self-identity are taxed to their very limits during schoolastic performance. Students are in a highly competitive environment that imposes emphasis on matters that may well dictate whether they are successful in life. It's easy to see how this can make someone develop uncertainty to the extent it levies panic upon them.

So it's important to search out and identify what is truly frightening you and know that nothing will happen to you if you "think about it" or discuss it in confidence with a professional licensed to help you in this way. It doesn't mean you're mental, or whacked, or even crazy. It's not about a comparison at all. It's about you.

And without sounding too overbearing, I do think that smoking is a one-way street to trouble with your health. If you have doubts, simply visit any patient ward of your nearby hospital and take a peek at patients with lung cancer, heart attacks, emphasema, and much more all from smoking habits over the years. It'll scare you straight in a hurry. They thought it wouldn't happen to them either.

So toss the smokes, grab your best friend and get out there and live it up. You've got a long and happy life ahead, a successful career to build, a family to surround you and whatever else this world has to offer someone so young and prosperous.

best regards and Good Health


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Amen Russell!

I had panic attacks at 17 and beat them (I'm 41 now). Looking back I know why. Getting ready for college, leaving the familiar behind and self esteem issues.

It isn't easy but it can be conquered. I did it w/out meds. I do worry about some people with panic attacks that start to withdraw from the world and begin making excuses for not leaving the house. I was lucky. It never occured to me to do that. PAC's, panic attack or whatever. I get skips no matter where. I also had my panic attacks no matter where (lucky for me they are long gone). So why stay home and and be afraid?

I know PAC's won't kill me (maybe make me a little sleep deprived) so I refuse to let my life pass me by. My mother has them (PAC's), my Aunt has them and Atrial Fib., my grandmother did too. She lived to be 88. My family needs me. I need them. After 2 years I am now at the point where I will not give in to fear. They are more annoying than frightening.

I so hope that everyone here can either find something that gets rid of the skips or can at least be reassured that they are okay and rid themselves of the fear. It's hard, I know. I still have days where I just get mad. I would love to get rid of them. Until then, I'll keep taking magnesium and going for acupuncture.

Good luck everyone.

PS - Beware low carb diets. I was only planning on cutting back for a week or two to jumpstart myself. I cut down on carbs for 2 days (didn't even eliminate them completely) and my heart went nuts. The palps were terrible. I quickly ate a banana when I realised what was going on and was better w/in an hour. I'm not the only one this has happened to.



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After reading these messages, I realize that I am not the only person experiencing scary extra heartbeats. Mine started in November, I started taking Toprol and they stopped, and now they are back with a vengeance. They make me very unhappy.Today I started taking a combo vitamin of Calcium/Magnesium and Zinc to see what happens.


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i've been on this site many times but i am back now because mine have gotten so much worse. i am now 36 weeks pregnant and i feel like i can't take this anymore. they are so bad everyday. i have not even been able to enjoy my pregnancy. it is so depressing. does anyone notice them if you wait too long to eat. but then again i sometimes get them right after i eat too. who knows. i don't know how much longer i can take this.


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I am sorry you are suffering so and hope it gets better after delivery. I wish I knew the solution to this problem that compromises so many lives.


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It sounds like most of the writers here are female.Well I am a 43 year old male with the same problem. I started having these PVC's as they call them when I was 18. They got real bad during my 30's but have sorta calmed down since. I have been to all the doctors and they tell me I have a strong heart.
I am at work right now and just had a bout with this thing. I was talking to someone at their desk and started feeling like I was in a dream and break out in a cold sweat right before my heart takes off beating like crazy. Then I have to sit down and let it wear off.
Now that I am 43 I do not get them as often. This is the first time in about 3 months. But afterwards I am tired, dizzy and basically worthless. My mother had this problem also but as she got older it became less frequent, which seems to be what is going on with me.
Its a pain but I learned if you just sit down and let it go its course you make it through just fine. Worst part is when someone comes up to you when this is going on, its hard to tell someone that you are alright when your heart is beating like crazy and you look like you are having a heart attack.


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Well I just had to share this with someone and I knew you would all understand.

I had a stress echo today and low and behold they caught my skips! I was so happy to get them on an echo and ekg! My heart is in great shape. Absolutley no rhythm problems while on the treadmill and I managed to get my heart rate up to 169. She said I was in great shape. Very reassuring.

My cardio told me that I have atrial bigeminy and it is benign. I had begun to suspect that since my PAC's had changed from a skip every 2-3 minutes to constant skips for 2-4 hours. It may sound bizarre but I actually function better when they are constant. I don't get jolted every couple of minutes.

Taking a cue from Russell, we also discussed the vagus nerve and why my skips are sometimes more frequent after eating. She said she has a lot of patients who complain about that and she said it is most likely reflux. The reflux could be irritating the vagus nerve. I know I have GERD so I guess I'll just get more vigilant about taking care of it. Thanks for the tips Russell. I think you have given us all some topics to review with our drs.

And Jean, I too get more skips on my left side. I asked her about it and she said that that too is a common complaint and it's the position of the heart. Or as she said, "it gets squished". Her word, she giggled a bit when she said it. It makes sense but as I told her, I would love to know what suddenly makes the vagus nerve so sensitive and my heart decide it doesn't like lying on my side? You should still check with your Dr. though.

I am now free of my beta blocker (Toprol XL) for two weeks. I really don't feel any different, except I have more energy. I'm just working on a balanced diet, exercise, some supplements (and I know Russell doesn't approve) but my acupuncture. It helped with my migraines and back pain and it relaxes me. If all I get out of it is stress relief, that's enough for me.

And Russell, one more kudo, it was a good idea to remind us all to not give too much personal info out. You never know who's out there.

Hugs to you all. I so hope that we all find something that will work for each of us. And thank you all for sharing.


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Hi i have been reading everyones post and just had a question for you all. I have a fast heartbeat all the time. It's always above 100 and when i'm stressed or worried it goes up to around 135 is this heart plaps? Do you guys always have a high heart rate? Thanks for your help Kim


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Kim,

While heart rates between 80-100 are a normal variant in children, heart rates in adults that consistently average above 100 beats per minute should always be examined to rule out certain causes. Pheocromocytomas(adrenal gland tumors), Coumel's tachycardia, bundle of HIS congenital tachycardia, and other conditions of the thyroid and pituitary. All of these conditions and more can be responsible for supraventricular tachycardia such as described by you.

If you haven't had a specific examination by your primary care doctor to rule out underlying causes, then my suggestion is to arrange to do so. Although tachycardia itself is not a life-threatening condition, sustained heart-rates in the range mentioned can lead to other conditions.

In the absence of any underlying cause, then it's likely that you BMR, or basal metabolic rate is simply within a range that demonstrates a resting HR of 100. Under the stress of exercise, common ranges can exceed 160BPM depending upon the target cardiac output of each individual.

In answer to your question, SVT is not the same as ectopic beats or palpitations. Please see my earlier notes to the site regarding palpiatations.

best regards and Good Health


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Wzup everybody, this website has made me feel alot better about these heart palps ive been having. First of all im 23 years old and have five kids, thats right 5 so I do have a lot of stress in my life and have currently been diagnosed with high blood pressure, well that alone has made me an axiety freak i worry about everything and these palps are just something else to worry about, theyve only been going on 2 days but i have had them before, and they are really annoying, i just wanted to tell everybody even though i know how hard it is not to worry and stay busy and they will eventually go away good luck to everybody


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I have been having these horrible things since last July. It was right after my sister died and I was under a lot of stress.. I was smoking 3 packs a day and drinking gallons of Mt dew. I gave up the Mt Dew because they said it was casuing it. I have quit smoking with the aid of a patch because they said that was causing it. I do have mitral vavle prolapse with no reg. I have had a echocardiagram, a heart cath, blood test, and an ep study with ablation. Only to still have these dreadful monsters. I get them in bigeminal cycles. I am awaiting the results of my estrogen levels. I just dont know what else to do. I am taking a beta blocker but it isnt much help. I was on sotalol and it seemed to control the bigem but it made my heart rate too low. I was on Tambocor it worked great for about 2 months and turned on me over night. Started having really weird beats. Then I was put on tikosyn.....why I dont know that is for atrial flutter. Anyways that lasted 3 days because that didnt have any effect at all. Now they say they are going to try me on Tonicard. I take klonopin for my anxiety bouts. They told me at first nothing was wrong I was just depressed. The last year has just been a living hell . They said my sisters death is what brought all of this on. She was only 33 and she died out of the blue. I just wish they could find the reason and make it better because my life has been pretty much in bed all the time. I am afraid to go out because I am afraid my heart will totaly freak out.


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I have been having these horrible things since last July. It was right after my sister died and I was under a lot of stress.. I was smoking 3 packs a day and drinking gallons of Mt dew. I gave up the Mt Dew because they said it was casuing it. I have quit smoking with the aid of a patch because they said that was causing it. I do have mitral vavle prolapse with no reg. I have had a echocardiagram, a heart cath, blood test, and an ep study with ablation. Only to still have these dreadful monsters. I get them in bigeminal cycles. I am awaiting the results of my estrogen levels. I just dont know what else to do. I am taking a beta blocker but it isnt much help. I was on sotalol and it seemed to control the bigem but it made my heart rate too low. I was on Tambocor it worked great for about 2 months and turned on me over night. Started having really weird beats. Then I was put on tikosyn.....why I dont know that is for atrial flutter. Anyways that lasted 3 days because that didnt have any effect at all. Now they say they are going to try me on Tonicard. I take klonopin for my anxiety bouts. They told me at first nothing was wrong I was just depressed. The last year has just been a living hell . They said my sisters death is what brought all of this on. She was only 33 and she died out of the blue. I just wish they could find the reason and make it better because my life has been pretty much in bed all the time. I am afraid to go out because I am afraid my heart will totaly freak out.


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I just found this site and it's great. I have researched heart palpitations before, but haven't come across this. I have had palpitations on and off since college and I just turned 50. I am definately perimenopausal - very sporadic. The last couple of months the palpitations have been just driving me up the wall. One night was so bad and my husband was out of town - my neighbor drove me to the ER - I was glad that once I was hooked up, the palps were still there, because the Dr. wasn't concerned at all - said they were totally benign PVC's - gave me something to "take the edge off" and sent me home. I had been having them for about a month, starting with my period the month before, and of course, I had just started that day. Then, they went away (mostly) for several weeks - but I haven't had a period since that day, which was Dec. 6th. I've been having palps pretty nonstop for 4 days now, and I'm really getting annoyed! I have noticed that position plays a part - I have only been able to sleep on my left side (usually it's the other way around), but when I turn onto my right side - boom, boom, boom. Needless to say, haven't been sleeping well. I was very impressed with Russell's posting. In fact, I called my mom - she has these too - neither of us has ever had any Dr. mention the Vagas nerve. I am going to ask my cardiologist next week. Right now I'm on Sotalol - I did have an episode of atrial fib a few years back that required electrical cardio conversion. I have always felt my heart beat, so when I have palps I really feel them and they can be very scarry, even when you know you'll be OK. I just wanted to say that reading the postings here in this site has been very reassuring - it helps knowing you're not the only one with these and that others feel the same way. Sometimes I feel like I'm acting like a baby or something when I'm really scared. Other times I'm very strong. As I was reading through the messages, I thought a couple of times maybe I had already written in when I was sleepwalking of something because the stories were so similar! Russell, it sounds like you are a doctor, and I certainly appreciate the time you took to post your message. I'm also going to ask about magnesium & potassium. I hope you all have fewer & fewer palps and feel better. Take Care.


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Hello again,

I just wanted to tell you all that by keeping control of my reflux I haven't been having the after meal episodes.

As I posted on the 2nd, my cardio answered my question about eating and my atrial bigeminy acting up. She said it was most likely reflux irritating my vagus nerve. She has many patients who complain about the same thing.

I've been taking an antacid before eating and so far so good. No long runs of skips.

Stephanie, I have bigeminy too. It's a pain to deal with. When I get a run it can last 4+ hours. I ususally get it every day. I don't know if it is a coincidence but the antacid is working. I haven't had a long run (just a couple of skips) since Tues.


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I just found this site & I'm glad to find others who can relate to what I'm experiencing.

:) Here's my story:

I'm 30 & one day last June I came into work on a Saturday & was having my usual cup of coffee (that I drank every day at the time) & working when I started feeling 'weird'. I felt not dizzy per se, but very out of sorts and a little wobbly when I got up to walk around. I felt like my hands were heavy & I couldn't type well, my tongue felt thick, & I was having trouble spelling simple words or even typing the letters as I read them off a paper. I was here by myself, which really scared me on top of it all, but slowly I started feeling better & when I felt alright enough, I left & went home & told my other half about it. He thought maybe I just got an extra strong cup of coffee & it was the caffiene plus the stress at work. Well, starting not long after I felt better from that episode, I started getting this ache in my chest, left side. By that night we were laying in bed & I couldn't get comfortable because when I laid down it felt like someone was pushing on my chest. I started wondering if it were a heart attack, but I could breathe okay (I thought) and it wasn't getting worse, so I (stupidly) refused to let my other half take me to the hospital thinking I was okay & it was just the coffee still slapping me around. I eventually got to sleep & the pressure feeling went away, but I still had this achey feeling. Monday he took me to his GP, but by the time we got there, it had pretty much tapered off & I felt fine (Murphy's Law, right?). The doctor said I was too young to have heart problems (tho there's history on both sides of my family) and told me I had a panic attack. Then he listened to my chest & lungs very briefly. I didn't like his lack of concern and poor bedside manner, nor did I completely believe him, but I was under lots of stress at work at the time so gave him the benefit of a doubt. I gave up coffee, have the rare soda, and once a week iced tea (a big weakness). If I get too much I can tell because my heart just pounds & jumps for at intervals for hours, but overall I've had no other episodes like that one since.

Yesterday I was craving tea, so I got a giant one on the way in to work. Last night I woke up with my heart beating irratically, but I wasn't fully awake and just remember being aware of it but guess I went back to sleep. However next I recall being aware of taking a deep breath. It sounds stupid, but I don't know if I stopped breathing (sleep apnea?) or if I was just dozing in & out of a deep sleep.

I'm thinking I should see a cardiologist to rule out any problems, but I can't help but feel silly about it too. If I know I shouldn't drink caffiene because it has that effect, then won't he/she just tell me what I already know? Then again, hypertension, stroke, heart attacks are on both sides of my family, so..


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I am so glad also to see that I am not alone in this.I have suffered with this crap since 1989,,the funny thing is it went away up untill 1996 after my daughter was about one month old,finally it was found that I suffer with panic anxiety attacks,well I have overcomed all that but I am still getting the heart flutters.Sometimes it feels I will loose my breath.I have had all the test,the treadmill the nuculer medicine in the veins,and nothing could ever be found,cardiologist said to learn to live with it,it wont kill me.Easy for him to say. Well I am great at chatrooms,I already have one created for panic anxiety people,and I would be willing to create one for all of us heart flutters to meet in and talk and support each other.Contact me if interested with e-mail addys,and I will creat one . Good luck to all of you and anyone wanting to chat with me just e-mail me at kathypack42@hotmail.com take care



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Christina K. I am so glad to see that you wrote
about bigeminy. I have had PVC's before my period
for years. Last months they started out of the
blue and they were doing a funky rhythm,
particularly after i ate. The ER called it
Bigeminy and told me to calm down. The cardio put
me on a beta blocker to help with the PVC's and it
helped more with the bigeminy than anything. I
guess what I am wondering is I know what bigeminy
is, every other beat, but is it a significant
indicater of a serious heart problem or is it kind
of like the PVC/PAC, stress, caffeine, etc. Did I
get myself so worked up that my typical PVC's
turned into bigeminy, any infor would be great.


Thanks so much, I hope everyone i


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Michelle, my understanding of bigeminy is that they are benign.

When I had my stress test last week a miracle happened and they caught my skips at rest on the ekg and the echo machine! It was very interesting to see.

My heart rate went up to 170 bpm (long test, uphill on the treadmill) and no skips or rhythm problems of any kind. My cardio told me that that is a good sign. Rhythm problems during the stress part of the test would have meant further testing to make sure my heart was okay.

She told me that bigeminy is nothing dangerous just annoying. No kidding.

I am telling you all of this so that you know where my info is coming from. From what I've read about bigeminy it's nothing to worry about from a life and death point of view.

I'm glad your beta blocker is working. I haven't had as much luck with mine (Toprol) so I'm off it now. As I said, mylanta has helped a lot. Odd. Exercise has helped too along with balanced diet (get that potassium, calcium, magnesium and stay hydrated - too much will dilute your minerals) and a few supplements.

Hope I could help. Let me know if you want to talk more. I was so glad to find this forum so I could see that I was on the right track with my questions and ideas.

If your dr. is open to it, and you haven't done it yet, get a stress echo. It really put my mind at ease and has squashed the evil "what if they're wrong" voice in the back of my head.

Good luck and let me know how you are.


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I go for a 24 hr. monitor on Tuesday and to see
the cardio. I am going to discuss a stress echo
with him. I defintely need to squash the what if
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I really wonder if i am fixating on it too much,
it is just so scarey. Thanks for the info. I
have had a hard time finding any info on bigeminy.
I'll keep you poste


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I am on a heart monitor for 48 hours, just so we can have 2 days to catch something. I ended up getting the stress echo. It is scheduled for next week. I have been on cholesterol meds for 3 weeks now and really want things checked. So cardio agreed to stress echo. I am trying not to panic over having clogged arteries. I am scared though. Guess I should wait for the test first, thus far everything has been fine and the Dr. doesn't forsee any concerns.

He said I have no family history and my age going for me. Hope everyone is well

Michelle


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Michelle,

I am glad you will be getting the stress echo. I think it will put many of your fears to rest. I was antsy about the test too. I was worried that my blood pressure would be high and I would be put on another med after having just stopped taking Toprol.

I told myself, "well, if I have it at least I know now and won't get a nasty surprise". If on the off chance you do have a clogged artery, better to find out now than through bigger trouble down the road. I am grateful we can find out these things early rather than later when we can't fix it.

If you want them to catch your skips on your monitor, you can try giving yourself heartburn or watch a scary movie or a suspense movie. Both of those will bring on skips for me. I had them last night because I am worried about my son. He's got strep again and had a rough night - fever and coughing. Nerves will do it to me every time. (Alright everyone, don't get mad I too know it's not just stress that causes it.)

Just imagine your relief when the test is over and you find out your okay. With any luck, they'll catch your skips on the echo. They had me lie down on my left side and that tends to start up my bigeminy so they caught it.

Good luck and please let me know your results. I'm sending good wishes your way.


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First I want to thank everyone who has posted on this site, most especially Russell and also Christina K.

In response to Lori, don't feel silly about going to see a cardiologist. If he finds nothing to be concerned about, then you have allayed your fears. You only have one heart so you want to be sure it is functioning properly. Go see a cardiologist. If you do have a blockage, better to find out before you actually have an attack. If you're fine, then you can relax and learn to live with your episodes.

I too have a family history and was terrified of having heart disease. The doctor said I have nothing to worry about right now. So at least I'm not having panic attacks on top of the PVC's. They are annoying, but not life threatening.

I can tell you and everyone else, I think caffeine is definitely a contributing factor in my PVC's. I do notice that the pounding is stronger if I give in to the temptation to have a cup of coffee. Within minutes, I have the pounding sensation again. I was also told to stay away from chocolate, alcohol and tobacco.

Another thing that has definitely helped is the addition of Magnesium/Calcium supplements. I didn't start to feel better until I added that to the things I had to delete from my diet.

Good luck to you and to everyone else too.


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Christina k

thankyou so much. I have had a couple of flutters
the last hour and am wearing the monitor. I am
trying not to get too worked up, because they
scare me so when they happen. I am trying to be
rational. Thanks for all the encourageme


Michael
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Well like most people thank you everyone for sharing your problems. It was nice to know that there are other people with the same issues. I have to say that i have had the heart pulps for about 6 months with the works numb left side, short breath panic attacks, on and off and my doctor said the same thing "its ok, dont stress" so thats easy said then done. I am currently doing more exercise and eating less i have found that yoga has helped to relax me and reading this also so thank you all.

Feel free to email me with any ideas or suggestions.





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